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<SiFuh>
farkuhar: To compile QT6 when Romster first released the port cost me 17GB of diskspace to compile I actually had to adjust the tmpfs to 32GB for the test and I was monitoring the usage as it built. Initially I was using 8GB for tmpfs but QT6 kept running out of space.
<ukky>
Has anybody experienced issues with kernel option CONFIG_COMPACTION enabled on server/desktop system? I usually set it to OFF, but want to try enabling it on Dell R620.
<SiFuh>
ukky: No and I set it to "y" in my configs
<ukky>
I never paid attention to this option until now, since I build new config for Dell R620 (from x86_64_defconfig). And it seems like my systems have this option disabled.
<SiFuh>
From what I have read it is only for smaller systems with almost no RAM
<SiFuh>
Compaction does allocate memory temporarily and in general it's quite
<SiFuh>
Start from that line
<ukky>
Besides my CRUX system, my Dell R610 (Gentoo) has also CONFIG_COMPACTION disabled. R610 never had issues with OOM since I got it (5 years). But 3 other systems have CONFIG_COMPACTION enabled. Now I wonder why I disabled that option.
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<SiFuh>
ukky: Funny how a more efficent Memmory Management configuration can lead to lack of memory. Kind of weird
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<ukky>
SiFuh: Having more RAM nowdays, high level SW developers pay less attention to memory allocation issues.
<SiFuh>
Yeah, kind of like what the bloke said in another way
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<jaeger>
We're talking about it. Nothing official yet.
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<ukky>
jaeger: Have you ever seen CONFIG_VMD beeing used on any server? It seems like required on Dell 5820 to access NVMe device, but cannot prove that yet. VMD is Intel's Volume Management Device NVMe RAID Controller.
<jaeger>
I wouldn't personally use Intel's builtin RAID tools on a production server... and no, I've yet to see it in the wild. But it wouldn't surprise me if it's on a few consumer motherboards.
<ukky>
Dell 5820 behaves strangely in UEFI vs Legacy boot. NVMe is exposed in Legacy boot, but is not visible in UEFI boot. I am using your private 3.7 ISO built around June.
<jaeger>
Odd
<jaeger>
What does 'lspci -k' say about it?
<ukky>
Unfortunately, I have lost ssh access to the system (network failure at work). But I can find lspci from similar system.
<Guest_trulala>
ukky: hello, I'm read about Emacs users. So, I have a question. Do u use latest version of Emacs? On CRUX?
<ukky>
Guest_trulala: Not using Emacs anymore. You should ask SiFuh
<Guest_trulala>
I want use jit for elisp-to-native. So, I need recompile Gcc with jit option?
<Guest_trulala>
oh
<Guest_trulala>
oops
<jaeger>
I don't think there's any emacs port in official repos but I see 27.2 and 28.1 in the portdb for what that's worth
<Guest_trulala>
why?
<Guest_trulala>
VSCode win? ;(
<Guest_trulala>
jaeger: yeah, I watched all ports. Why cruxbot move libnotify to contrix?
<ukky>
Guest_trulala: I had issues with remote sessisons via browser. Keymaps for browser and Emacs are not friends. Had to switch to vim.
<Guest_trulala>
contrib*
<Guest_trulala>
I use in browser vimium, If u dont like emacs keys - evil-mode w8 u ;)
<jaeger>
cruxbot doesn't move, only announces git commits. A maintainer moved the port
<Guest_trulala>
Ah
<Guest_trulala>
Ok
<Guest_trulala>
people, who use WM scared... :)
<ukky>
many users here use WM
<Guest_trulala>
Dunst/Mako/Fnott using with libnotify
<Guest_trulala>
sorry for my terrible Eng
<Guest_trulala>
opt->contrib->recycle
<Guest_trulala>
Who use WM, which terminal emulator most core in CRUX?
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<Guest_trulala>
Or most popular?
<jaeger>
You can use whichever you prefer, there are a lot of options. And if one is missing, make a port for it :)
<Guest_trulala>
lol. So, after urxvt gone... Make a port...
<Guest_trulala>
Alacritty - leak memory
<Guest_trulala>
Kitty - fat
<Guest_trulala>
Foot... Maybe nice, but only for Wayland
<jaeger>
I just use whatever works well or is provided... xterm, foot, konsole, mate-terminal, depending on which system I'm using
<jaeger>
ukky: do you know if that was booted in BIOS or UEFI mode?
<Guest_trulala>
In WM? Where prefer min/max? Foot --server in Wayland and URxvt server... Xterm cut the text after resize (say hello Xmonad, DWM, Sway etc)
<ukky>
jaeger: I will try to figure it from dmesg if I can
<Guest_trulala>
thx guys. bye.
<jaeger>
I pretty much always use tmux so text resizing looks the same no matter which terminal emulator I use
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<jaeger>
Looks like UEFI based on the dmesg log
<jaeger>
I see efifb and efivars references as well as other stuff
<ukky>
you are faster switching windows than me
<farkuhar>
the final link in Guest_trulala's chain opt->contrib->recycled is misleading (or deliberately exaggerated). You can still find rxvt-unicode elsewhere in the portdb, for example https://crux.ninja/portdb/port/df/rxvt-unicode/
<jaeger>
Indeed
<jaeger>
ukky: I'm currently testing an ISO with the vmd driver and kernel 6.1.47 but I have no VMD hardware. Want to test it?
<ukky>
jaeger: There is also 'efi: EFI v2.70 by American Megatrends' line, which should not appear in Legacy BOOT
<jaeger>
yeah
<ukky>
Yes, I could test it when ready. Have to physically go to work to do that. Took two weeks of vacation (and finally instal CRUX at work)
<jaeger>
No worries
<ukky>
Dell 5820 uses NVMe with a connector I never seen before. It looks like hot-swappable.
<jaeger>
Does it use that fron FlexBay setup?
<ukky>
What is FlexBay?
<ukky>
Front panel?
<jaeger>
some kind of front panel bay thing, maybe hot-swappable
<ukky>
Yes, that is the correct picture of 5820, and this NVMe is mounted in Bay 4 on that picture, with some bracket as it is not 2.5" form factor HDD.
<jaeger>
OK. Based on those images I would guess the NVMe disk is an m.2 inside an enclosure
<ukky>
M.2 has different connector. That enclosure probably provides hot-swap capability.