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<farkuhar>
jaeger: IIRC you've been known to build custom keyboards. Have you ever encountered a keyboard controller that fails to initialize when cold-booting the computer, but gets detected and initialized just fine when plugged into the USB port of an already-running system?
<farkuhar>
it's not a repeatable phenomenon across all my devices, only one of the motherboards acts that way (although it affects all USB ports on that motherboard). At the moment I'm blaming the motherboard firmware, because it's the exact same kernel running on all my devices.
<farkuhar>
I might try cold-booting the problematic device with a different kernel (compiled with the feature to work around buggy USB implementations). Any suggestions on where I should go during make menuconfig?
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: try this for your cmdline option i8042.nomux acpi_osi=linux
<SiFuh_>
Could even use i8042.reset as well
<ukky>
farkuhar: My Corsair mouse had issue initializing, I had to add to kernel cmd line this patch: 'usbhid.quirks=0x1B1C:0x1B2E:0x20000448'. Your HID keyboard might require also some workaround for that specific motherboard.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: Vendor ID is 0x1B1C, Device ID is 0x1B2E. Corsair Gaming M65 Pro RGB Mouse. That is single device.
<SiFuh_>
Yeah, had seen it being used before but never looked into it until now.
<ukky>
My current motherboard and Linux kernel does not require that patch anymore, mouse works without a patch. Unfortunately, I don't remember if it is a new motherboard, or new Linux kernel that fixed initialization issue.
<jaeger>
farkuhar: strange indeed, that's one I've never seen
<SiFuh_>
I have a metabox laptop that will not show the keyboard during a cold boot. Intermittently of course but more so failed than actually worked. In the end I had to tell the kernel to not look for an active multiplexing controller with i8042.nomux enabled at kernel cmdline.
<ukky>
Usually System BIOS cannot detect any USB keyboard/mouse behind a USB hub. The same is true for add-on USB controllers.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: thanks, I didn't know 'quirks' parameter has been renamed.
<farkuhar>
thanks for the suggestions. I think I'll try the kernel cmdline option first. What's weird about this particular keyboard (and its tenkeyless layout) is that it tries to power on with NumLock enabled. Sometimes toggling the NumLock after a cold boot is enough to get it working on tty1. It's as if the keyboard identifies itself to the host OS with a completely different layout, depending on whether NumLock is enabled or not.
<farkuhar>
so toggling the NumLock is enough to reset the device, as far as the kernel is concerned.
<SiFuh_>
i8042.dumbkbd Pretend that controller can only read data from keyboard and cannot control its state (Don't attempt to blink the leds)
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: That URL above you can search i8042 to see the other options
<ukky>
Is it possible it stays in low-powered mode until key is pressed?
<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: thanks for the link. The parameter that tells the kernel "Don't attempt to blink the LEDs" sounds promising.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: not sure, but sounds to me like the common problem of probing for an active multiplexing controller
<jaeger>
While I never had keyboard issues with that motherboard I do recall my USB3 capture device didn't work with it at all
<SiFuh_>
' Similar problems on Fatal1ty B450 Gaming K4 - very frustrating... '
<SiFuh_>
Asrock sounds like an Australian insult "Ass hat"
<ukky>
farkuhar: I would add extra debug print messages to HID driver handling your keyboard and see the differences between cold boot and hot arrival. Even dumping configuration URB might help.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: It's definitely a mother issue. So many people complaining about it since older models and even this model
<ukky>
SiFuh_: I argee. It seems like MB issue. But there is always workaround... :-)
<SiFuh_>
I wonder if farkuhar did research before buying it. There is a tonne of complaints online about it
<SiFuh_>
Audio, Bluetooth intermittently disconnecting. Random HDMI cutting out and of course the USB issue is everywhere
<SiFuh_>
I can't find any solution either, seems people send it back under warranty or return it
<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: not much research went into the MB decision, honestly. I just browsed the inventory in my local MicroCenter and picked some components that looked compatible with each other.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: fair enough. I did that once, then had to replace the graphics card because it just didn't like the motherboard.
<farkuhar>
but strangely it's only with this USB keyboard that I've noticed any issues. The MB has performed without trouble in all other respects.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: no bios update worked in any of the forums.
<SiFuh_>
The problem still exists. But there are complaints about both keyboards and mice having the problem.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: good thing I haven't exhausted all the possibilities for kernel cmdline options. I'll keep trying various combinations like i8042.dumbkbd or acpi_osi=linux
<SiFuh_>
Will be cool if you are the first to figure it out
<farkuhar>
I won't be rebooting for a while, though. Got to get some real work done today, before playing around with kernel parameters again.
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<jaeger>
yay for keeping old hardware around... 2 servers this week in a remote datacenter that didn't come back after reboots
<SiFuh_>
You ever find that most hardware has a 2 year life span?
<SiFuh_>
Modern hardware*
<jaeger>
Not "most" in my experience but definitely some
<SiFuh_>
I can pull out an motherboard used once only and packed away, 2 years later is dead. But an old DEC Alpha still works fine more than 20 years later
<SiFuh_>
I find the average life span of modern hardware is around the 2 year mark.
<SiFuh_>
Planned obsolescence?
<jaeger>
Probably in at least some of the cases
<SiFuh_>
It is a concern of mine since I have 2 x 8TB SSD that are already over 2 years old
<SiFuh_>
Wish I had an LTO drive with me
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<ukky>
jaeger: Do you know manufacturer/model of failed servers?
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Asrock :-P Hahaha just kidding
<jaeger>
One's a Dell VEP4600 and the other is an Arbor Peakflow appliance recycled into a linux server
<SiFuh_>
My rule was if it starts with A, B, C, D and HP you don't touch (Doesn't apply to CPUs)
<lavaball>
new died suddenly thread over at 4cha!
<lavaball>
n
<SiFuh_>
Many dying suddenly here. Cancer exploding and heart attacks.
<SiFuh_>
Wife's family seems to be spending more time in hospital than at home
<SiFuh_>
And she is at a funeral every couple of weeks
<lavaball>
nothing happening here. my house is unvaxxed. though down the street every one i know some adverse effect from thrombosis to death.
<lavaball>
all age groups and genders.
<lavaball>
also the reason why i don't hitch hike anymore.
<SiFuh_>
Yeah, I am uninjected as well and threatened divorce if the wife gets it. My direct family in Australia never touched it and most of my friends regused it too.
<SiFuh_>
refused*
<lavaball>
good for you!
<SiFuh_>
My poor brother, all his friends took it and many are dead or very sick. Some seem to be okay though.
<lavaball>
be careful still. i'm not sure how bad it is but there is shedding. especially sexual intercourse seems great for spreading spike.
<SiFuh_>
Agreed
<lavaball>
but since the wife is clean.
<lavaball>
good for you.
<lavaball>
seriously, good for you.
<lavaball>
and i know someone who had like 6 doses. also fine.
<lavaball>
it's a numbers game.
<SiFuh_>
I kind of cheated. I knew about it in December 2009
<SiFuh_>
So I knew it was coming
<lavaball>
either way, i'm not taking any risk. i even walked with the medical staff who refused to take it.
<lavaball>
wasn't as exciting as i hoped.
<lavaball>
but the minors were attracted to me again. .... it's always the minors. never the grown up sexy ladies.
<lavaball>
how did you know?
<SiFuh_>
Yeah, I had one medical staff who decided they were but after I abused the shit out of him he decided not to. I also forced him to move to Thailand. Now he thanks me like daily.
<SiFuh_>
lavaball: Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theories. Alex Jones and some Panama Woman spoke of it.
<lavaball>
i never saw alex besides in ... darkly?
<lavaball>
what's the movie?
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<SiFuh_>
A scanner darkl
<lavaball>
ah! right.
<SiFuh_>
A scanner darkly
<lavaball>
thanks.
<ukky>
jaeger: it seems both units are industrial grade. They might not boot for any other reason than just a reset. Local console access might be required.
<lavaball>
and the song. we love our somalis! we love our muslims! oh they're so good! oh they're so great!
<lavaball>
have you read about the kernel disablling some t.. p? something random for amd.
<lavaball>
thy do'nt like my noscript or adblocker or something.
<lavaball>
i rather listen to the song again.
<SiFuh_>
Starts about 1:42 in
<lavaball>
can't watch. doesn't let me
<lavaball>
wasn't jones's alex convicted to pay all the millions?
<lavaball>
heaven't heard anything since.
<lavaball>
also it's late again for you.
<SiFuh_>
Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura S01E05 Secret Societies.
<lavaball>
sorry for turning up late. i hda my 30 mile ride today.
<lavaball>
was dead.
<lavaball>
ohhh
<lavaball>
there is always too much jesus into those for me.
<lavaball>
you one of the jesus boys
<lavaball>
?
<SiFuh_>
Convited by a dickhead that broke all the laws. No, it will fall through. They actually retried him for trillions instead.
<SiFuh_>
Like Alex Jones has the GDP of the US ;-)
<lavaball>
i wouldn't know.
<lavaball>
i just thought it great that he was in the rotor scope movie.
<lavaball>
scanner darkly.
<SiFuh_>
I usually watch Harrisson Smith and Jeff Rense
<lavaball>
also sincei just got a bike i enjoyed the line with the 18 gears.
<SiFuh_>
Watch/listen both
<lavaball>
six there, 3 there, that's 9!
<SiFuh_>
Photo?
<lavaball>
highly unlikely that i'm gonna dothat.
<lavaball>
what is it with you and your pictures?
<SiFuh_>
You talk about this bike and no one has seen it
<lavaball>
i'm not gonna take a picture of my bicycle.
<lavaball>
maybe i don't have one.
<lavaball>
who the fuck cares?!
<SiFuh_>
There are bicycle riders here
<SiFuh_>
Not me. I am BMX 100%
<lavaball>
mine won't compare.
<lavaball>
cheap thing. didn't i mention i got it used for 55 bucks.
<SiFuh_>
Even Theo is a bicycle rider
<lavaball>
had to do some good/bad/and the ugly on it, but now it seems okay.
<lavaball>
just needs more pressure.
<lavaball>
the openbsd guy?
<SiFuh_>
Yes
<lavaball>
how is this kernel doing actually? i recently "worked" with a russian kid in france on the wacom drivers and seriously, what was there was a mess.
<SiFuh_>
A lot of tech guys are bicycle riders
<lavaball>
i'll allow it.
<SiFuh_>
Foudn that strange to be honest but hey, a hobby I guess
<lavaball>
necessity in my case.
<lavaball>
i find bikes gay.
<SiFuh_>
OpenBSD's kernel?
<lavaball>
yes.
<lavaball>
linux already supports all the wacoms.
<SiFuh_>
The messy shit is the crap from Linux.
<lavaball>
i just want something that i can recommend without qualifiers.
<lavaball>
the linux people have gotten woke.
<SiFuh_>
Yeah, I agree with that
<lavaball>
nowi get lines like "rather bad code than bad people".
<SiFuh_>
I avoid the wankers
<lavaball>
that's gentoo.
<lavaball>
what am i supposed to do? write my own system with black jack and hoookers?
<SiFuh_>
Heh
<lavaball>
i can't even configure the kernel in under a week.
<lavaball>
and even then i'm not sure i got it all.
<SiFuh_>
I was reading Jay Dyer's analysis of the Barbie movie he doesn't recommend. Blah blah blah, Barbie joins the real world in the end to get a vagina. WTF?
<lavaball>
that's not the message.
<lavaball>
it's the best anti feminist movie there is.
<SiFuh_>
Takes me about 12 hours to do a fresh kernel. But since the 5.X days it is pushing 48 hours. Breaks of course but yeah, I get your point.
<SiFuh_>
I think the Linux kernel can be primped and preened so much better than it currently is
<lavaball>
kens are oppressed. they go to the real world, come back, make a system that is good for 95% of the population. then the barbie tells the others to cheat on their kens to destroy the system. and after it's destroyed she leaves it.
<SiFuh_>
Never saw it. Just Jay's analysis
<lavaball>
all the movies are shit.
<lavaball>
recently saw spider-man across the seizure-verse.
<lavaball>
fuck me sideways from multiple directions.
<lavaball>
i thought this was giong to be good.
<lavaball>
even the flash movie was better and that was completely shit.
<SiFuh_>
Hahaha, never watched either.
<lavaball>
well, the first 8 minutes are nice of flash.
<lavaball>
into the spider-verse was good.
<lavaball>
but the sequel. bah.
<SiFuh_>
The last movies I have watched were all Bollywood
<lavaball>
right, you live on the other side.
<SiFuh_>
2018 Everyone is a hero (2023) was the latest I watched. I liked it
<lavaball>
bullet train is good.
<lavaball>
last year i think.
<SiFuh_>
Japan right? WIth that blonde fuck from fight club?
<SiFuh_>
Brad pitt
<lavaball>
don't play dumb. you cna't tell me you don't know who brad pitt is.
<SiFuh_>
Was trying to remember his name
<SiFuh_>
Yeah that movie was kind of interesting
<lavaball>
interesting?
<lavaball>
a fun ride i'd say.
<SiFuh_>
Yes
<jaeger>
ukky: they're both pieces of shit that have given me a LOT of grief over the past few years :)
<SiFuh_>
And yes
<jaeger>
ukky: And frankly, neither are what I'd call "industrial grade", though they're certainly marketed that way. From a quality standpoint they're far from it. :/
<lavaball>
i like how they aren't even bothered by us.
<lavaball>
doing their own thing. with smilies.
<SiFuh_>
The Bullet Train?
<SiFuh_>
They were concerned all through it about others.
<lavaball>
no, i meant jaeger and the ukky person.
<SiFuh_>
Oh that is how this channel operates
<lavaball>
really nice.
<lavaball>
i like it.
<SiFuh_>
Seems we talk around everyone and have a special skill at ignoring the crap
<lavaball>
my tummy burns.
<lavaball>
5 mio scoville.
<SiFuh_>
Pregnant?
<lavaball>
though i gotta say, the jump from 3 to 5 wasn't that exciting. since 2 it's all the same basically.
<SiFuh_>
Heh my favorite chilli that I eat and grow is Bhut Jolokia.
<lavaball>
no idea.
<SiFuh_>
I ave some Carolina Reapers growing, but I think can't prove yet, that they are fake.
<lavaball>
i buy little bottles which are hella expensive for me.
<SiFuh_>
Bhut Jolokia = Ghost pepper
<lavaball>
oh, i'm not that invested, so i believe ou.
<lavaball>
y
<lavaball>
the video of the red mud car could have been anyone's too.
<lavaball>
i don't care.
<SiFuh_>
Heh, white guy driving a red truck in Malaysia
<SiFuh_>
Guess you can be right
<lavaball>
the question is waht difference does it make?
<SiFuh_>
Peace of mind?
<lavaball>
you have one, you don't. won't change the size of my dick.
<SiFuh_>
Who wants to be lied to?
<lavaball>
we lie all day every day. so why bother being angry about it.
<SiFuh_>
I do not
<SiFuh_>
I refuse to
<SiFuh_>
I'd rather look stupid than lie how great I am
<lavaball>
hmm hmmm hmmmmmmm....... you pretending to not know a lot of quite popular stuff ... i don't know. you are overselling the coolness.
<lavaball>
but sure.
<SiFuh_>
No, I did remember before you mentioned. Brat Pitts name. It just wasn't freely availble because he ain't important
<SiFuh_>
I ain't a walking book of actors names. I care not most actors. They are unimportant
<SiFuh_>
After a few beers I will surely have trouble trying to pull their names out
<SiFuh_>
I think the only actresses for example that I can call out straight away is Moira Kelly and Jun Ji Hyun because I have had a crush her since forever.
<lavaball>
also starcraft.
<lavaball>
seemed quite weird to me.
<SiFuh_>
I still don't know star craft
<lavaball>
even i know about world of warcraft even though i haven't played it.
<lavaball>
or call of duty and the halo thing.
<SiFuh_>
Yeah, well I know about diff breathers and I have never had one installed
<lavaball>
breathers?
<SiFuh_>
I know all those Warcraft, COD and Halo.
<SiFuh_>
I don't know star craft and I did look at it yesterday and it was blur to me.
<lavaball>
well, it is how it is. makes me question some of your statements.
<SiFuh_>
There was another my father and brother knew Farscape. I also don't know
<SiFuh_>
But I care not what they know, I love Babylon 5 and they love Star Trek. Fuck Star Trek...
<SiFuh_>
Questioning is fine. Accusations are not
<lavaball>
don't be gay
<lavaball>
why no like star trek?
<SiFuh_>
Accusations are a form of ignorance
<lavaball>
and being offended is a form of gayness.
<lavaball>
your point being?
<SiFuh_>
I don't see how that is
<SiFuh_>
Seems to be quite a childish response
<lavaball>
i leave your interpretations to you.
<SiFuh_>
I can be offended if you insult my wife or my mother, doesn't make me gay
<lavaball>
yeah, i see this differently.
<lavaball>
but you do you.
<SiFuh_>
You sound very democrat, are you a democrat?
<lavaball>
i'm a whole different animal.
<lavaball>
though, you never answered the jesus question.
<lavaball>
you one of them?
<SiFuh_>
Jordan Maxwell - I beleive in God, I don't know who he is, but I sure as hell know who he is not <--- My belief
<lavaball>
okay.
<lavaball>
i'm simply ignostic.
<lavaball>
but that's mainly becuase i read the man pages.
<SiFuh_>
I am anti religion but not anti-God
<SiFuh_>
agnostic?
<lavaball>
i said ignostic.
<lavaball>
time for you to learn a new word.
<lavaball>
you can impress the next guy with it.
<SiFuh_>
HHAHAHA
<SiFuh_>
That is cool
<SiFuh_>
A gnostic with an apple device
<lavaball>
do i look like i can afford apple?
<lavaball>
also i'm not big on the child labor.
<SiFuh_>
You can afford the i
<lavaball>
didn't make that connection.
<SiFuh_>
iPhone, iPaid, iPad, iPod, iGnostic
<SiFuh_>
Wonder why there is not iChristian since there are so many in the world
<lavaball>
i said didn't, as in the past.
<SiFuh_>
And your point?
<lavaball>
it was annecessary of you to list the apple products.
<SiFuh_>
I find your command of the English language quite limited so excuse me if I miss your meaning
<lavaball>
yeah? how come?
<SiFuh_>
I don't know, I am not you
<lavaball>
hm. maybe i have to command the english language a bit more directly: how do you come to this conclusion?
<SiFuh_>
Lack of essence. Like a robot with preprogrammed words and no spelling skills.
<SiFuh_>
Very bad grammer as well.
<lavaball>
that is a new robot comparison.
<lavaball>
i'll add it to the list. thanks.
<SiFuh_>
Head ache trying to get your meaning or your point.
<lavaball>
you no like my grammar either?
<SiFuh_>
That alone was bad grammer
<lavaball>
that was the joke.
<lavaball>
it's one of those memes. why u no ...
<SiFuh_>
I am not laughing
<SiFuh_>
You mean like what has two wings and an arrow?
<lavaball>
sometimes things go over your head. nothing you can do about it.
<SiFuh_>
Normal when you live in a world of retards
<lavaball>
how do you know the call isn't coming from inside the house?
<SiFuh_>
Because no one has a phone here and the sat phone is not on
<lavaball>
i rest my case.
<SiFuh_>
Need a cushion?
<lavaball>
no. i have gastro esophacus reflux disease. can't lie down until it's all gone through.
<lavaball>
though you might want to call it a night. time zone and all. it's pretty late for you.
<SiFuh_>
Today is Wednesday
<SiFuh_>
I can stay awake as long as I want
<lavaball>
you are so far ahead of me, you even live in the next day already.
<lavaball>
i was just looking out for your best interests.
<SiFuh_>
I use to find that intriguing when I was a kid
<lavaball>
what you do eventually is out of my jurisdiction.
<SiFuh_>
I thought you lived in the Netherlands
<SiFuh_>
Should be Wednesday there already
<lavaball>
still tuesday here.
<SiFuh_>
Hmm cool
<lavaball>
why do you think netherlands though?
<SiFuh_>
Your IP
<lavaball>
shouldn't i see you /dns me?
<SiFuh_>
You show it when you join channel
<lavaball>
i feel more secure already.
<SiFuh_>
All good
<lavaball>
but it's nice that you are so invested that you check out my location.
<SiFuh_>
Not really, I check everyones automatically. I have a perl script that does it
<lavaball>
i see.
<SiFuh_>
Nothing special just does a whois on every new joiner
<SiFuh_>
You can spoof that though
<lavaball>
i wouldn't know how.
<SiFuh_>
By the way, congratulations for you and your family for not falling for the bullshit.
<lavaball>
i'm surprised there my own self.
<lavaball>
they aren't the brightest bunch, but they stood firm agaiinst it.
<SiFuh_>
I have deep respect for the uninjected
<lavaball>
works out for me.
<SiFuh_>
Seriously thanks to you and them
<lavaball>
yes yes. no need to be gay about it.
<SiFuh_>
Learn English bro
<lavaball>
stop being gay, sister.
<SiFuh_>
Okay Melissa
<lavaball>
oooh. you got me.
<SiFuh_>
No I didn't
<lavaball>
you forgot the ~ in fron of it though.
<SiFuh_>
That means home directory
<jaeger>
Nobody wins this pissing match
<SiFuh_>
jaeger: HAHAHA
<lavaball>
no, it means you have no identd running.
<lavaball>
this isn't about winning.
<SiFuh_>
Okay enough. We all go shit to do. Sorry jaeger
<lavaball>
what are you apologizing for?
<SiFuh_>
Spamming IRC with crap
<lavaball>
you said earlier everyone ignores what they don't want to read - paraphrasing.
<lavaball>
so which is it?
<SiFuh_>
Everyone does, but you spam then that will attract attention due to too much noise.
<SiFuh_>
Right, conversation over.
<lavaball>
this doesn't make much sense, but sure, i'll allow it.
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<ukky>
jaeger: I know disappointment when you buy something marked as 'industrial grade' and then you promise yourself to never buy it again. This happened to me with Cisco router, model C881W.
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<jaeger>
Unfortunately I was not at all involved with the decision-making process that acquired these, but I have to support them
<jaeger>
Have almost 50 of the Dells and thankfully only 4 of the recycled Arbor things
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<ukky>
Are they all give you troubles? Are they running Windows or Linux?
<jaeger>
Not all of them... but quite a few have over time. They're running Linux, no windows in our environment
<jaeger>
They're also an enormous pain in the ass to get support/service for because Dell was willing to sell them with an "unsupported" configuration (256GB RAM and NVMe disks) and somehow the people who ordered them decided that was ok... and now Dell doesn't want to support them. Surprise!
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<jaeger>
Theoretically they're all getting retired/deprecated in our environment soon in favor of much beefier AMD EPYC servers but we have to have new capacity before we can pull them out