09:05 <Armbian-Discord> <b​ret> OK, here's a potentially very dumb question but all feedback and responses are greatly welcomed as I'm asking genuinely 😄

09:08 <Armbian-Discord> <b​ret> What makes it such a struggle to create and support the images for all of these boards? I was going to try and expand on that with some questions but I guess I'll just leave it at that.. What is missing from manufacturers to make everything much easier on the community?

09:14 <Armbian-Discord> <b​ret> I know it's a very broad question and manufacturers could hire their own software people to make it infinitely easier on the community heh but I'm curious about what the "fight" is actually against to support these things

09:18 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Well in general there are no dumb question. Dumb answers only 😄

09:18 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Anyway manufacturer side provided bsp code is usually of poor quality, badly documented or hidden in binary firmware blobs. All of those makes it very difficult to create proper support. You can get a bit more detail in our documentation's FAQ.

10:52 <Armbian-Discord> <b​ret> Trying to see how scorched Earth I want to go at certain manufacturers for their complete lack of interest in actually supporting their boards 😅 needing to gauge a bit more of the general sentiment and actual technical issues first..

10:53 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Once marketing no longer generates sales things will improve. Until then people get fooled and nobody cares...

10:53 <archetech> you think they dont know they are derilict in their support cmon

10:54 <archetech> support takes away profit

10:55 <archetech> plus chumps like armbian will do it ;p

10:56 <archetech> why I buy odroid

10:56 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> I included a quick explanation how that system of board support works in the video I made about myself a while ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei11X9OIwvE

10:56 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Just dont remember the timestamp 😅

10:58 <archetech> my n2+ has had zero issues

11:12 <Armbian-Discord> <b​ret> I fancy trying the new N2L but I'd want to know when EU distributors are going to get it and how much of a markup there'll be for that

11:12 <Armbian-Discord> <b​ret> Thanks! I'll take a look through.

11:23 <archetech> thats a nice board but id get an n2+ $70 vs $85 US

11:30 <blathijs> Is the source for the webpage on github somewhere? I want to submit some improvements to this page: https://www.armbian.com/rockpi-s/

11:30 <ArmbianHelper> ^ Rockpi S – Armbian

11:32 <archetech> Werner ^

11:33 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> I don't think so. I suggest to open a topic in forums so somebody with access can implement the improvements

11:33 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> (I don't have)

11:34 <blathijs> Ok, thanks!

11:38 <blathijs> Any suggestion on a forum category to post this under? All the way down in Rock Pi S categor, or Feature Requests, or somewhere else?

11:47 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> if there is a small thing, just post it here and i will fix it

11:48 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> otherwise just add https://forum.armbian.com/topic/24063-updated-images-for-rockpi-s/?do=findComment&comment=151647

11:48 <ArmbianHelper> ^ Updated images for Rockpi S - ROCK Pi S - Armbian Community Forums

12:04 <blathijs> IgorPec: There's two things: 1) The photo of the UART output seems mirrored (the colored header is on the wrong side - if you mirror the image it matches and I've also confirmed that the UART pinout is then correct). 2) The page could list the UART settings (1500000bps 8N1)

12:31 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> this is best that you add to that topic and let brentr handls it. he made that picture

12:53 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Mine didn't either till it took a lightning hit lol..

13:04 <archetech> GET OVER THAT!

13:05 <archetech> its electonic chit happens

13:06 <archetech> next one put behind a UPS and power strip it

13:06 <archetech> learn dude

13:07 <archetech> I warned a cust once they nah no ups for us we be fine bam lightning hit em weeks later

13:08 <archetech> can you come out and put a ups and pstrips in sure lol

13:09 <archetech> think we need some new pc's too

13:11 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> It was a joke goodness

13:11 <archetech> lightning is a joke to you eh

13:11 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> No... me caring

13:12 <archetech> oh ya got more $ than sense then

13:12 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I have so many machines that I have to work on it it is bound to happen

13:12 <archetech> love those type of customers

13:12 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> no.. that is just rude.

13:13 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> btw.. if you were a vendor like that you wouldn't be in busienss long.

13:13 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I don't take kindly to comments like that.

13:13 <archetech> why cuz I give good tech advice and peeps dont listen? right

13:15 <archetech> pay me now or pay me later x5 all good to me

13:17 <archetech> ive never lost a device to power outage why cuz I spend to protect vs gamble

13:20 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Hard to do when I was out of town and it was cycling power hits... the other 11 devices on that circuit (including a N2) survived fine

13:21 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> it just blew out the USB

13:21 <Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> on the N2+

13:25 <archetech> the pulse got to the device it didnt have to

13:28 <archetech> out of town is irrelevent why I dont argue with dummies

13:36 <archetech> some good boards now have chokes on usb and nics cuz peeps dont run proper protection "my nic failed..dont know why" liars

14:52 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> As opposed to bad boards that are an accident waiting to happen?

14:54 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Any of these good boards running an arm chip with modern kernel support and also similar price/performance as amd64?

14:55 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Well, I also want a pony.

15:09 <[TheBug]> I bet that pony will also have to cook for you and clean for you as well?

15:09 <[TheBug]> That sounds like one expensive pony.