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<stipa>
if it's not USB3 related it should work
<stipa>
USB3 and video acceleration sux
<stipa>
and choose a board that has a maintainer
<stipa>
then try to get the zwave system working
<stipa>
mostly ppl bodge NASes and various internet servers
<stipa>
there's not much home automation
<stipa>
yet
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<philarmbian89>
Yeah I might just have to use this OrangePiPcPlus for something else
<philarmbian89>
can't seem to get hassio / openhab working with Docker
<philarmbian89>
I can manually pull images for hassio but it doesn't recognize zwave from the same host on 3000
<stipa>
does it work without docker?
<philarmbian89>
No support for Armbian with either of those projects
<philarmbian89>
like without docker
<stipa>
i don't get it, those projects works exclusively in docker?
<philarmbian89>
In the context of Armbian yeah :(
<stipa>
so, you can't just download the source and compile?
<stipa>
o narmbian
<stipa>
on*
<stipa>
you could try running it inside of a VM on armbian
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<stipa>
if the tools you want work like images you boot and the machine runs just that
<stipa>
newer OPIs should have silicon for VMs
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<philarmbian89>
sry got kicked
<stipa>
02:37:34 stipa | if the tools you want work like images you boot and the machine runs just that
<stipa>
02:38:28 stipa | newer OPIs should have silicon for VMs
<philarmbian89>
Yeah they have an .ova I think
<stipa>
if you don't have it enabled you can build an armbian image with the VM ability enabled
<stipa>
yeah, i guess you load one of those into a VM
<stipa>
KVM i guess
<stipa>
that's Allwinner H3
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Philarmbian89 I have run HassIO on their own distro, the z-wave add-ons are good
<minist3r>
I have a rockpro64 chip and I upgraded to kernel 5.15.48 on accident and its unstable and lost video and network drivers. I'm trying to downgrade to 5.15.35 the previous version that was stable but with armbian-config it seems to need an internet connection to do this. Does anyone know how I can do this?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I use z-wave thernostats
<stipa>
minist3r: install the old image to another sdcard and transfer configs from the borked card
<stipa>
Tonymac32 on what do you run that distro
<philarmbian89>
Nothing right now
<philarmbian89>
I have an OrangePiPcPlus I'm trying to use for hassIO
<minist3r>
stipa I have boot partition on sd card but booting OS from ssd can I still do what you recommend with this config?
<stipa>
minist3r: if the configs are on the SSD then put it in a computer and take what you need before the reinstall of armbian over it
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Stipa on an N2. But it destroyed itself so maybe I roll a custom T4 image for it instead
<minist3r>
so your saying to backup then wipe SSD and reinstall then restore backup?
<stipa>
minist3r: yea
<minist3r>
I was hoping to do it without reinstall
<minist3r>
I dont mind reinstalling boot drive on sd card but dont really want to wipe my OS on ssd
<stipa>
minist3r: then get the internet somehow and try something else
<stipa>
in armbian-config maybe you could get back
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The roots started getting corrupted coincidentally at the same time I decided to plug in a USB device. 🤣🤣🤣
<stipa>
ghosts
<stipa>
minist3r even if you get the internet and try to fix it maybe it's smart to do the backup anyway
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<minist3r>
stipa I have a backup but when I restore it, it does not restore the old kernel
<stipa>
then install everything and get just the configs
<stipa>
from the backup
<minist3r>
ya only reason i did not want to go that route is because I have xmpp and webserver setup that took alot of work and dont really want to do that over
<minist3r>
theres no way i can just revert to old kernel?
<stipa>
everything you need keep on the backup NAS or some kind of a backup
<stipa>
when shit hits the fan you have the configs
<minist3r>
I have everything backed up with redshift
<minist3r>
I mean timeshift
<philarmbian89>
Okay I changed approach and I'm going to start a docker container version of hassio on top of Armbian on the OrangePiPcPlus since hassio cannot natively install to this board like a RaspberryPi, that seems to be launching just fine
<minist3r>
what tells the OS to boot what kernel
<minist3r>
is it in the boot partition?
<minist3r>
or what tells the bios to boot what kernel
<stipa>
minist3r: i guess it's on the sdcard
<minist3r>
I see in ArmbianEnv.txt its pointing toward sd card but dont see where it specifies what kernel to boot
<stipa>
PhilArmbian89: kewl
<stipa>
minist3r: i have no idea, i don't have such a setup
<minist3r>
well on any armbian config where does it look for what kernel to boot? is there a config in the boot partition?
<ArmbianHelper>
^ [SOLVED] Apologies, dumb question on changing Armbian Kernel Image - Beginners - Armbian Community Forums
<minist3r>
thank u
<stipa>
yw, fell free and scrub the forum for more
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> stipa I'm tired of the N2 proving to me it's unfit for literally every job, I have to cut it loose
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> can't anyone else put this chip ona board? or can Hardkernel maybe, just maybe, fix it? They can make good stuff I've seen it
<stipa>
Tonymac32 idk if the money can fix it either
<stipa>
it's hard to look in the chip architecture when it's baked and encapsulated
<stipa>
and it's to expensive to make another one
<stipa>
also take into the account that they don't even know what to fix in the first place in the silicon so making another one makes no sense
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> well it seems clear they messed up the power
<stipa>
the PMU chip?
<stipa>
what's wrong with it?
<stipa>
it's doesn't give correct voltage?
<stipa>
it doesn't rise up the voltage when the frequency increases?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> the USB ports starve the devices and seem to cause issues with the rest of the board
<stipa>
can the PSU provide?
<stipa>
some PSUs think it's the short if the load is high and they turn off
<stipa>
and probably give half of what they're rated for
<stipa>
so that trip out at half of what they're rated for
<stipa>
they*
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> rofl 12V 4A
<stipa>
yeah, try to short it and see at how much Amps it turns of
<stipa>
if it's a modern PSU it should turn off, i guess the law is like that
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> ... While I'm sure this would be a super enlightening exercise, this is the second supply I've used with this board, it had a 12V 2A
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I could rig this up on my bench with the scope I guess
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> or just use a board that doesn't seem to care using the same brand/series supply
<stipa>
yeah, the first step would be to rule out the PSU
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Of course
<stipa>
and actually make sure that it can provide the power
<stipa>
despite what is written on it
<stipa>
despite of*
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> stipa I've documented this sort of thing repeatedly for others
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I'm also an electrical engineer
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> this is in my wheelhouse, it isn't the supply
<stipa>
then fuck idk, desolder the usb ports and put them in series with a fast fancy AMp meter
<stipa>
that has logging
<stipa>
and log when the PMU trips out
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> lol I'm swimming in SBC's, I'm not wasting my time on this one, seriously
<stipa>
well, you'll have to waste it on eventually
<stipa>
on one*
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> nah, I just won't buy another N2
<stipa>
what about the N2+ ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I don't see any topology differences, just the SoC binning
<stipa>
Tonymac32 if you can lower the frequency, try that, i guess it should waste less power
<stipa>
it could give some headroom to the USB
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> see, I have this problem
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I was sold a device with advertised capabilities
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> if it can't do that
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Then it is goign into the waste bin and I'm going to bitch about it
<stipa>
well, the easiest thing to do is to give up
<stipa>
but, there's no fun in that
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I'm past having fun with faulty designs, I'm too burnt out to work on the good ones at this point
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The only thing going to make any difference to the silly ARM SBC situation is some people telling the vendors to F off with their trash
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<stipa>
well, you can't say no to a cheap deal
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> those aren't cheap
<stipa>
oh dang
<stipa>
that's bad
<stipa>
but you're right, sometimes it just doesn't pay off going further and giving up is a smart thing to do
<stipa>
you have like a ton of failed businesses and they all started with i can do it because i'm special
<stipa>
yeah, special to the banks
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> lol I'm disappointed with this one because they can/have made good boards
<stipa>
yeah, nothing is perfect
<stipa>
in mostly everything i thought is perfect i found flaws
<stipa>
i guess one has simply accept it and roll with what he has
<stipa>
bodge something together and make the job done
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<stipa>
i have one RTL8153 chip overheating in 1000Mbs mode, got to look on the PCB of it to see if i can get some clues
<stipa>
it works on like ove 60 C
<stipa>
idling
<stipa>
it works stable on the software side
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> AHA
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> mine is literally the sample revision 0.3
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<stipa>
Tonymac32 yeah, could be that sample has some chips that got replaced later
<stipa>
some fixes can be done at home
<stipa>
like changing a cap or resistor
<stipa>
this could be tricky if it's not a drop i nreplacement "Due to the semiconductor shortage, the maximum DC input voltage was lowered from 18V to 16V to use to FirstSilicon's FC6800 from FC3470. "
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<stipa>
but that one doesn't seem like a problem when there were those chips avilable i guess
<stipa>
this could be your fix > To lower the electrical stress to the GL3523 hub controller, the GL3523 power source has changed to 5V from 3.3V by using internal regulator. Mount a zero ohm resistor between the source and drain of Q1 instead of the FET
<stipa>
As a negative side effect, the PWR red LED does dimly turn on even when the system turns off. This issue appears with the production batch of EL2102 only.
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<quantum_>
... yet I only get the boot part as good, which I can mount.
<quantum_>
Second part has a bad codepage and no PARTUUID.
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> Is that true in the image as well?
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> you can point gdisk directly at the image
<quantum_>
Don't have gdisk. (KDE)
<quantum_>
I pointed gparted at the image and indeed only one 6.12GB part.
<quantum_>
I don't understand why this is. This image worked when I flashed it to another SD.
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> can you not install gdisk? From what little I remember about gparted, it makes assumptions and changes that are unwelcome
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> where did you get the image? I'll pull it and take a look (unless you built it yourself)
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> ok just a few to dload it
<quantum_>
I do seem to have gdisk, but have already deleted the image to DL another.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> ok its downloading now
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> this dload mirror speed is very bouncy today
<quantum_>
gdisk finds only one partition in the freshly-downloaded image.
<quantum_>
Flashing to SD, same results as with prior image.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> ok extracting it now
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> it should only have 1 partition
<quantum_>
Flashing it I get two parts, the first is mountable, the second is not and has no PARTUUID, which it should.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> hmm
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> its only got one i the image
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type Armbian_22.02.2_Odroidn2_jammy_current_5.10.103_xfce_desktop.img1 8192 12861439 12853248 6.1G 83 Linux
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> they must be extracting u-boot as part of a process
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> notice the offset
<quantum_>
The first part has files I haven't seen before, and it does not seem to be useable.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> whats your offsets once its flashed
<quantum_>
How do I find out?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> yeah you have an .itb and another file right?
<quantum_>
gdisk: Number Start (sector) End (sector) Size Code Name
<quantum_>
1 8192 12861439 6.1 GiB 8300 Linux filesystem
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> thats only one filesystem. wheres the second?
<quantum_>
That's the only part it sees, whereas I end up with two on SD. One or both must have a PARTUUID so I can make mods to boot my Odroid N2+.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> thats all thats on that image
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> I need the output of what your sd shows
<quantum_>
That's it, above.
<quantum_>
But lsblk sees two parts.
<c0rnelius>
looks normal for an armbian img, unless for some reason they are using a boot partition on odriods?
<quantum_>
Warning! Secondary partition table overlaps the last partition by
<quantum_>
You will need to delete this partition or resize it in another utility.
<quantum_>
33 blocks!
<quantum_>
(gdisk)
<quantum_>
But see I need a PARTUUID to set up an /extlinux file on SD so my N2+ will boot.
<quantum_>
I have to use a Fedora kernel.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> Never seen anyone need to myself (we don't on our builder)
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> our extlinux boots just fine
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> with one fs
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> You should wipe your SD and start over
<quantum_>
My proceure is the only way my N2+ will boot, and it comes from 'some user' on the forum. It's a Debian kernel problem.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> I don't know Armbian's internals to their build process unfortunately but I know on the N2 it definitely works
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> N2+ as well
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> Remember there's a secondary GPT at the end of the SD card, which won't be touched by writing an image from the start to the end of the compression
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> exactly.. gotta wipe it
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> gotta zero the header
<quantum_>
How?
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> At the very least, point gdisk at the SD card, expert mode: z - for zap partition table
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> or dd the first 8192 bytes of the disk
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> and be careful, you are intentionally wiping a disk, make sure it's the right disk
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> indeed
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> but that doesn't get the secondary
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> yes it does
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> the secondary is at the last sectors of the block device.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> I use a 1M bs
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> -1 through -32, right?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> always has worked in the past
<quantum_>
Can't find an expert mode in gdisk, and there is no 'z' in commands.
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> "x" for expert
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> never has not worked in 5000+ builds
<c0rnelius>
not sure how one could be using gpt with amlogic, but to wipe gpt one would: `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx# bs=8M count=1`
<quantum_>
Ok used xpert mode and 'z', dd'ed the image, but same result.
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> 8 megs? Geez. That's not just GPT, you're hitting MBR, GPT primary, and much of the AMLogic bootloader. Still missing the Secondary
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> But also, as a reminder with amlogic, the amlogic bootloader is right on top of the gpt table.
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> I believe it's possible to offset the GPT's table of entries, but I don't know of anyone that does so.
<archetech>
n2 img doesnt use gpt
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> so we should stop talking about it
<quantum_>
Idk what this means.
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> MBR doesn't have PARTUUID's
<[TheBug]>
quantum_: get a different image and try it, that one likely is just corrupt
<quantum_>
My god I guess I'm dead again. Got to go to work.
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> so, that identifies MBR, not GPT. Also, NTFS ?
<archetech>
mbr uses uuid's because whoever built it enabled it in initramfs
<archetech>
Linux odroidn2 5.17.5-meson64 id like to upgrade this kernel though dont see any option for 5.18+ in armbian-config ;/
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> what?
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> I don't understand "enabled it in initramfs"? Enabled what? The kernel does the probing of the partitions, identifying the filesystems, and recording their uuids, right? But that information isn't in the MBR.
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<c0rnelius>
there is a reason why u-boot has fstype / uuid support.
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> in that case, the u-boot firmware does the fs recognition and reading of uuid
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> And it does so based on knowing where partitions are, based on mbr table or gpt
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> But the N2 uses MBR. For some reason, the image is identifying the fs as ntfs - which we're understanding as corruption
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<Armbian-Discord>
<TheBug> Actually, two thing... I grabbed wrong image and also I used partprobe wrong in my example -- when using it correctly the image is mountable as a loop device. Not sure what issue the other guy was having.