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<lanefu> archetech: despite it's shortcomings I think it's a winner for a headless worker node
<lanefu> Even with vendor kernel
<lanefu> I'm just feeding raw 12v to mine and it's been stable
<lanefu> I think the fusb302 quirks ultimately will be tolerable for most people once the remaining workaround get implemented.
<lanefu> If you wanna do all the fancy usb-c shit and do a desktop it'll be fiddly but probably fine for people that read the forums and pay attention
<lanefu> Guys like me that are gonna run it as a server..... Ive got dumb 12v feeding it and nvme works.. I'm pretty much good to go
<lanefu> Monka seems to be doing fine with desktop stuff
<c0rnelius> I guess I should put that out there. I don't focus on desktop stuff.
<c0rnelius> If I wanna a desktop I use an actual computer.
<c0rnelius> not some niche we might be able to do this if we try real hard shit.
<lanefu> Hahahah "try real hard" is definitely the operative term for desktop
<lanefu> Lots of trying and suffering lol
<lanefu> I haven't been in the mood to fight desktop since pinebookpro
<c0rnelius> I'm also odd. I find it more fun to make the boards boot the way I want them too and then having them do the things I need them to do. Instead of trying to make them do everything under the sun.
<lanefu> It's proven to be the only thing actually worth the effort so far
<lanefu> Yeah I mean I got into armbian because the original fun of Linux when I was young was just making it install and work
<lanefu> So SBCs kind of helped me relieve that thrill a little
<c0rnelius> Its like a relationship. Don't expect to much and you won't be disappointed.
<archetech> lol
<archetech> lanefu: headless is all it can be atm
<archetech> llvm probly works
<archetech> so you dont say thumbs down yet ok
<archetech> c0rnelius: c4 eh ok
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<lanefu> I need to check out c4. I like the rk3568 from what I see
<archetech> if they released v1.4 in mext few weeks id wait for 1.5
<c0rnelius> archetech: my c4 runs rock solid
<c0rnelius> nas, kodi, paper weight... does it all.
<archetech> so does my N2+ its done all I asked of it
<c0rnelius> never complains
<archetech> I think odroid is the premiere supplier
<c0rnelius> n2+ does rock.
<c0rnelius> i use it for compiling.
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<c0rnelius> but you asked fav and took it as... stable. C4 is more stable.
<lanefu> RK3568 is ultimate light duty NAS SOC
<archetech> and tobetter dont say send us $ or give us your time when asked things ;p
<c0rnelius> he also doesn't help
<lanefu> Lol
<archetech> well stable is just one facet ya know
<c0rnelius> well to be fair I have said 'hey' you screwed this up and he did fix it. but for the most part he doesn't respond to people.
<archetech> doesnt help? are u f-in kiddiing hes the forum guru
<c0rnelius> i mean on git
<archetech> he covers all those boards like a boss
<archetech> outstanding support
<archetech> for arm that is
<c0rnelius> yeah yeah... good dude.
<c0rnelius> i have no grips with him.
<archetech> hes actually built images for me deb 12 ubu beta even
<c0rnelius> Da of Libre Computer has actually been around lately I saw.
<archetech> but so has lane so lane gets a pass ;p
<archetech> so have you ! ya all my bitches
<c0rnelius> ;)
<archetech> jk ty guys
<lanefu> Lol
<lanefu> 2022 is the year of the Da
<archetech> the Da heh cool nic
<archetech> ok gotta finsh watering lawn and telling kids to stay off it ;)
<lanefu> Yeah time to go mow in the dark for me
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> "Looks out at a dark runway as he sits for 3 more hours"
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> We don't start boarding for a few more hours heh.
<lanefu> Haha stuck on a plane?
<lanefu> Where u
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Nah. Just in Atlanta airport
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Been here about a dozen times before
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> That's an endorsement! Screen cap it and take it to the bank!
<c0rnelius> finally heading home, T​enkawa?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Yep.
<c0rnelius> well. safe trip sir.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> We'll see how long it takes to readjust to EST.... thanks.
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* archetech gives lanefu a straw hat and a long island IT let the neighbors point
<archetech> id have a harley sound system on my rider just to piss em off
<archetech> condo maint reported my for swearing cops rolled by ya beleive that chit lol
<archetech> my/me
<archetech> if my ac is dying dont f-in tell me to change my furnace filter ok
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<lanefu> Need a borla
<lanefu> No HOA in my neighborhood. Perks of living in the city lol
<lanefu> We can have chickens too
<lanefu> And apparently can shoot guns whenever
<c0rnelius> we have street chickens here.
<c0rnelius> like cats
<c0rnelius> just everywhere
<c0rnelius> i have a big bag of feed by the front door.
<archetech> And apparently can shoot guns whenever LMAO
<archetech> welcome to 2022
<archetech> had roosters in p-lots in FL keys I like it
<c0rnelius> I'm not trying to get political but I'm not a fan of guns. Or should I say I'm not a fan of people? Hard to say.
<archetech> talkin on phone wth was that? a rooster
<c0rnelius> guns good... people not so much.
<archetech> I can take ya out with an umbrella its not the gubs
<archetech> guns
<c0rnelius> I like composition. People... kind of shit.
<lanefu> I do wish there were more umbrella stabbings in the news
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<c0rnelius> lets me more aggressive: combustion
<c0rnelius> anyway... chickens are kool.
<archetech> they taste good too
<c0rnelius> over the last few years I have had issues with chickens and birds in general. They shit way to much. Science needs to work on this.
<c0rnelius> its a mess
<c0rnelius> One thing I have noticed about what Jurassic Park the movie got right "or maybe wrong?" is that the BS raptor species that is portrayed in that flick behaves exactly like... chickens. Like that was the model in which they used for the movement of the renders.
<archetech> cuz they are birds ?
<c0rnelius> well, yes because of relation. But if you watch a chicken move and than you watch the movie.
<c0rnelius> They weren't hiding the fact,
<c0rnelius> Not all birds move in this manner. I just found it funny that was the model I guess.
<archetech> movies arent a reflection of a reality they are pure fiction with some hint of reality
<c0rnelius> yeah... but they still do it.
<c0rnelius> like the last JP movies... its the same model.
<c0rnelius> you would think they would have been more forward thinking.
<archetech> they use the tech they have
<c0rnelius> truth
<archetech> which is sort of impressive on some level suspension of disbelief
<archetech> is the intentional avoidance of critical thinking or logic in examining something unreal or impossible in reality, such as a work of speculative fiction, in order to believe it for the sake of enjoyment.
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Birds are jerks
<archetech> sadly now peeps emply that same suspension when faced with real facts
<archetech> employ
<archetech> and so they are deceived
<c0rnelius> I'm a bi of a movie buff and at the same time love the cheese movies. But at the same time I guess I get a annoyed. For example when watching Alien Covenant and I was waiting for Jason or Michael Myers to jump out because it was so by the numbers.
<c0rnelius> Which bugged me a lot about the JP films. We know what the first JP got wrong... Why not correct it?
<archetech> like they care
<c0rnelius> paint by numbers.
<archetech> yep
<c0rnelius> this is why SBC still suck
<archetech> ya why make it better if they dont have to
<c0rnelius> they know what they should be doing. they just don't because people will still buy it.
<archetech> yes we've become stuid drone consumers
<c0rnelius> exactly
<archetech> stupid*
<c0rnelius> rk356x... wait wait wait
<lanefu> I'm waiting for evidence on how risc-v will be any better on this front
<c0rnelius> i see nothing to suggest it will. as of now.
<lanefu> We got slower so far.. still waiting on cheaper
<archetech> he ya same $ slower perf but its open hardware ok morons
<c0rnelius> its disappointing
<lanefu> Like it might cultivate a die-hard development community like allwinner had/has
<archetech> allwinner kill it w/ fire
<lanefu> But you have all the same problems with VPU and GPU support
* archetech tunes John Mayall Blues Breakers feat e clapton 1966
<lanefu> Risc-v 's impact on micro controller and ultra embedded stuff is pretty undeniable but yeah not sure it's gonna stir up rockchip's plans
<archetech> no way
<c0rnelius> BeOS is gonna change the desktop as we know it!
<c0rnelius> whatever
<archetech> ya like Hurd
<archetech> Plan ( !
<archetech> Plan 9
<c0rnelius> :)
<archetech> dreamers
<c0rnelius> call Elon
<c0rnelius> I think more innovation will happen if we start pulling it in house, but at the same time be less competitive so everyone involved becomes a part of the solution. I know that sounds retarded. But... yeah.
<steev> BeOS was amazing, but OS2/Warp was where it was at
<c0rnelius> thinkL international space station but with an actual goal.
<lanefu> HaikuOS is out there fighting the fight for you
<lanefu> I ran OS/2 warp
<lanefu> It was cool
<steev> haiku almost has rpi support working, last i checked
<lanefu> Yeah BeOS got screwed cuz Steve jobs came back to apple and shutdown the powerpc clones
<c0rnelius> steev: I really liked BeOS and Haiku and the theme was awesome.
<steev> sadly
<archetech> jobs always favored creative computing it cost him
<archetech> vs MS biz focus
<archetech> but cost isnt all there is he killed it in the niche he chose
<archetech> his fascist control of the whole creative sector worked
<archetech> stil peeps payin way to much for that chit
* archetech hugs his $400 hackintosh
<archetech> worth $2000 apple $
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Yeah you're missing out man
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> It's a new world on M1
<archetech> I got ARM mac x86 covered
<archetech> and done it cheap
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Crusty hackintosh
<archetech> suckers !
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Uh huh
<archetech> right like an M1 can beat my measly I3-10100
<archetech> 8 threads of smokin m1 dirt
<archetech> for $90
<archetech> gimme sumpin I can use like a music sugg
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<archetech> where s tony when I need him
<archetech> he did tear tkaiser up on the r5 power issue
<archetech> gotta respect that EE training
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> https://louiscole.lnk.to/lih
<ArmbianHelper> ^ Louis Cole - Let it Happen
<lanefu> J/k you probably just wanna less to Yes
<archetech> Yes is a progressive band I did grow up with
<archetech> that was a really lame sugg
<lanefu> Lol
* archetech is onto What if I came Knockein J Mellencamp
<archetech> the indiana man
<lanefu> Cougar
<archetech> told the record labels f off
<archetech> bout that
<archetech> ya know most of our societal american problems are because men wont act like men
<archetech> white black w/e grow up boys
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<archetech> its not a left right thing
<lanefu> Well sadly nobody can punch someone in the face and get away with it via honor code
<c0rnelius> I can
<archetech> violence isnt the right way
<lanefu> Yeah those are chickens you're punching
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<c0rnelius> Walk the streets of Baltimore or DC and then complain.
<lanefu> archetech: what's your criteria for men acting like men
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<archetech> lanefu: biblical be like the master
<lanefu> c0rnelius: about chickens or punching people in the face?
<archetech> he didnt get ruffled much by idiots
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Should this go off topic
<archetech> get this guy out of here now ^
<lanefu> ManoftheSea nah this is the OG off topic
<lanefu> The other channels came later
<lanefu> And there is no armbian-offtopic in IRC
<archetech> not like thertes upport questions getting ignored
<archetech> theres support
<lanefu> archetech: it's fine resume your prior nonsense
<c0rnelius> Some of fav moments in Baltimore are walking down the street with a sweet couple walking in front of me and then having them pause and pass to the right or left and letting me walk by them. Mind you, there is nothing freighting about me. But there is something worrisome about the unknown. I always thought it was cute.
<archetech> ok least ya dint fold to his stupid idea
<archetech> like theres an off-topic to go to what an idiot
<lanefu> It's a discord thing you wouldn't understand
<c0rnelius> lanefu: I try not to hurt people. But off topic... Ever jumped from one tall building to another... Like several stories high? Off roof tops?
<c0rnelius> That is pretty fucking amazing.
<archetech> lanefu: nonsense ? be specific
<lanefu> Lol ive done other schenanigans from tops of buildings but not that
<lanefu> archetech: I was trying to get you to be specific about men being men
<archetech> I did
<archetech> got a better example?
<c0rnelius> men being men?
<c0rnelius> shit
<lanefu> Well you made a reference more so than being specific
<lanefu> Sorry "men acting like men"
<lanefu> Was the original talking point
<archetech> thik I answered clearly
<archetech> think
<lanefu> Nah you basically told me to go read the bible
<c0rnelius> best fights are cats fights. more titties ;)
<archetech> no I dint I said He is the example
<archetech> look how he nadled the naysayers
<lanefu> And I don't know who to the master is other than a bad character on doctor who
<archetech> handled*(
<archetech> I love how he handled the Pharasees
<archetech> they accused he stood and said if you are the real religous leaders why are youi so stupid
<archetech> thats a man
<lanefu> I mean isnt that what every talking head is doing on TV already
<archetech> ha they answer with lies
<archetech> he spoke truth
<lanefu> So criteria is men speak truth and respond with truth?
<archetech> are you the Son of God yes they rent their shirts
<lanefu> Id I agree with your sentiment then
<lanefu> *I'd say
<archetech> nothing like getting liars to rip their own clothes
<archetech> so men should not tolerate lies
<archetech> no matter the cost gimme your wallet ok now renouce your faith get lost fire away thats a man
<archetech> dont love yer life
<archetech> its a blade of grass
* archetech Eddie Money Life for the Taking take it
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* archetech Theory I Hate my Life ;)
<archetech> anti-pattern Boston A man I'll never be
<c0rnelius> lanefu: you a bible thumper ?
<c0rnelius> obviously not arm related. just asking.
<lanefu> What are you asking? Do I shout threats of fire and brimstone and damnation to those need of salvation? No.
<lanefu> Do I sometimes join my Wife at church and invest time into my local community yes
<c0rnelius> that tis what I was asking.
<c0rnelius> appreciate the honesty
<lanefu> Lol
<c0rnelius> :D
<archetech> lo lanefu never seen that here
<archetech> its really simple not preachy did Jesus really walk the arth and is Israel a real country all proof says yes
<archetech> less ya wanna land at Tel Avviv and tell em hey theis city isnt real
<archetech> but its in the bible
<archetech> so is Jerusalem
<archetech> etc
<archetech> gotta be a moron do dent it
<archetech> to
<archetech> so start there whats real
<archetech> im amzed at peeps ability to say its all made up when archeology history and right in your face evidence exists
<archetech> and then they say they trust science omg how messed up is that
<archetech> thats called delusion of reality
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<c0rnelius> I won't get to far off the reservation here. But history is nothing more than what said civilization chooses to believe in. All from what I can tell is based on loose facts that fit what the masses were either forced or what suited said needs at the time. As far as belief and ideology. To me its all BS, but I'm fine if thats what someones chooses to believe as long as the aren't aren't trying to
<c0rnelius> force it on people.
<c0rnelius> and blah blah
<c0rnelius> ARM!
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<archetech> c0rnelius: and I thought you had a brain go to museum sometime for cryin out load
<c0rnelius> i will say, on face. i didn't take lanefu as believer. But fine he is. I liked the wife part. :)
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<c0rnelius> archetech: Interesting. I didn't expect you to be a blind believer.
<c0rnelius> But then again you do complain a lot.
<c0rnelius> :)
<archetech> iys ok just gotta get the message out dent it at your own peril
<archetech> dent =deny
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<c0rnelius> I'm not worried and I'm fine with what ur belief system.
<archetech> when you're eating bugs to stay alive maybe you will reconsider
<c0rnelius> Yeah. Ok.
<archetech> full circle ya just admited your suspension of disbelief case closed
<archetech> see how that works
<archetech> keep watchin movies in a stoopur
<c0rnelius> Sorry I don't follow what ur getting at. I prefer history. But from my experience with you are very `set` and I'm ok with that.
<c0rnelius> books.. try them sometime.
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<archetech> like the 66 books in the bible
<archetech> hypocrit reads only books that fit his view
<archetech> tells otheres to read sheesh
<archetech> gimme a book ya think has better wisdom ill read it if I havent
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<archetech> getting at = fantasy explanations of dinosaurs they existed right
<archetech> but not 399 million yrs ago
<archetech> earth is 6-7000 yrs old not millions billions bs
<archetech> gotta be an idiot to beleive those phd's
<archetech> piled high and deep
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> archetech: you know that Hardkernel makes money with selling hardware and tobether has full time support contract there.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i am almost 100% you know that, so keep your BS for yourself
<archetech> doesnt mean you can constantly hit peeps with the PAY ME bs
<archetech> many have told you to stop that when arm software is free software
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> if you don't understand what is free software, learn about
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and since you don't help anyone anyway, what are you doing here?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> all we get from you are provocations
<archetech> hangin with the arm peeps talkin bout rock5 tests
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i think radxa would be happy to have you
<Armbian-Discord> <A​zure> Why open source isn’t free: Support as a best practice https://www.ibm.com/blogs/blockchain/2021/09/why-open-source-isnt-free-support-as-a-best-practice/ ... Using open source software has many advantages which includes being free of charge to use. However, as the old saying goes, “There is no such thing as a free lunch”, and this certainly applies to open source software. Indeed, it is now generally understood
<Armbian-Discord> that, while open source software is free to acquire, it’s Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) isn’t zero. This is because you still need to cover the costs of running the software which includes getting the software installed, properly configured, maintained, and supported. ...
<ArmbianHelper> ^ Why open source isn’t free: Support as a best practice IBM Supply Chain and Blockchain Blog
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> so if your highness wants to have a feature or a fix, we have to serve you? This is how you picture this?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> ofc its not free, but a lot of dumb asses still try to get free R&D every f* day
<archetech> when will you acknowledge that the % of corp users that come to this channel an use armbian ingeneral arent for profit people/businesses
<archetech> its just sbc buyers from gen public mostly
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i have to pay the bills
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> regardless what you think
<archetech> doesnt mean ya get to dent the reality of whos using armbian
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and as it was said - support
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> is the most problematic thing
<archetech> doesnt mean ya get to deny the reality of whos using armbian
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> good that we have you
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you are so smart
<archetech> I could see if this was full or corp admins and devs it isnt
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> so corp are allowed to make cash, while other have to bring their own to serve idiots like you?
<archetech> I am an IT pro I know what im saying
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> those people are the worste
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you think you know something, but you are long lost in the space
<archetech> if armbian was a critical part of my infra id say you are right that sint the case
<archetech> how much is a support contract etc
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you are special case here. not a user, not a supporter, just provocting thing
<archetech> no im a voice that speaks reality and ya hate that
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> haha
<Armbian-Discord> <A​zure> I think Armbian needs financial sponsors. Not just "Project friends".
<archetech> lets see how many companies come here asking for paid support cuz they use armbian throughout their company and would like 1000 images for their use as desktops/servers
<archetech> none
<archetech> so get off your delusional horse
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> they would certainly not come here to meet you
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> those come directly
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> the problem are those that comes and expect free support
<archetech> ya got a chance to be a good foss citizen ya keep alienting your user base
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i would redirect them to you
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you can go for support anywhere, to linus torwald himeself
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> or archlinux forum, where you are comming from
<archetech> just point them tot he forum and docs leave it there stop abusing them
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> good foss citizen = obey! do it for free! 24/7 ?
<archetech> I have an armbian image on my N2+
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and?
<archetech> got nuttin against it or you
<archetech> is what it is like all the others
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> so you will support n2 from now on?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> 24/7
<archetech> see right there ya step in dodo
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you are not doing this for armbian, but for foss community. like you said
<archetech> ya just cant help urself
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> this was a question
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i am not like you
<archetech> why do you ignore so many that say what im saying like they dont understand they just cant stand your approach
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> telling people that they have to be "good foss citizen"
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> while you are not
<archetech> wake up be friendly and let the ones that get demanding fall away
<archetech> so simple
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes, you will do that
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> don't worry about me
<Armbian-Discord> <A​zure> I think @IgorPec is somewhat aggressive. But I understand not every opensource maintainers are 'kind' people.
<archetech> im a good example of foss support come to #lfs-support and see
<archetech> been there over 5 yrs
<archetech> many happy peeps
<archetech> all for fre
<archetech> free
<archetech> no mention of $
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> azure: i can't stand provocators such as archetech
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> archetech: there are many people from other distributions around armbian
<archetech> label me i dont care its not true ive never said your product is crap
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you are not the only one. but they even helps from time to time
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you are telling this all the time
<archetech> its what it is a best effort in a sea of e-waste
<sunshavi> hey guys.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> hey
<sunshavi> almost midnight for me
<sunshavi> how have You been guys
<sunshavi> just relaxing a little bit and listening some music
<archetech> ill never be a igor yes man thats what pisses you off ;)
<archetech> ya narcisscist
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> thank you for compliments 😉
<archetech> keep it to the arm stuff we be fine
<archetech> I know my chit
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> what arm stuff you are in? what was your contribution in past year?
<archetech> Sysinfo for 'blfs-n2': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.25.4 on Linux From Scratch r11.0-302-systemd powered by Linux 5.18.8-2-ARCH, CPU: Unknown model at 1800.0-2208.0/2208 MHz, RAM: 3401/3699 MB, Storage: 9/63 GB, 163 procs, 12.98h up
<archetech> top that
<archetech> ya cant
<archetech> give crdit to me
<archetech> credit
<archetech> im not just some mouth
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> that you are playing around with your computer you need a credit?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i have installed linux yesterday. now what?
<sunshavi> freebsd counts?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes
<sunshavi> i installed freebsd last week on asus vivobook x540
<sunshavi> :)
<archetech> got freebsd kde running on a arm board sunshavi?
<archetech> then shush
<sunshavi> just on opipc
<sunshavi> headless freebsd-12 and freebsd-13
<archetech> right headless is easy
<sunshavi> not so easy without network using my phone as usb-ethernet gadget
<sunshavi> rtw88 is still unstable on freebsd-13-stable
<sunshavi> BTW make buildworld takes forever
<sunshavi> listening ricky martin 'tu recuerdo'
<archetech> lol nice mr bsd
<Armbian-Discord> <A​zure> using the open source doesn't automagically give you "credit"
<archetech> mr bsd meets mr lfs hiya
<sunshavi> i need it i have a blogpost pendant from a year before. So ...
<archetech> sunshavi: what role does armbian play in your bsd world curious
<sunshavi> another-one: topwise a721 with archlinux an emmc+adapter
<sunshavi> armbian was my intro distro on opi+2e
<sunshavi> nothing was available at that time. It took me more or less a year going to archlinux
<archetech> ic intro distro we all have one
<sunshavi> So I have a kind of appreciate for what armbian did for my SBC
<archetech> mine was pclinuxos 2005\
<archetech> then I went to arch linux
<sunshavi> there are things that i do not like about archlinux nowadays
<sunshavi> rolling release has its issues too
<sunshavi> the libc support is horrible
<archetech> yeah they just got gcc 12 after 2 yrs of waiting for a dev to do it
<sunshavi> I came to arch for being on the cutting edge. Probably I am going to leave it for the same reason
<sunshavi> compiler is not the major of my issues
<archetech> is for me
<sunshavi> when I was young (the previous century)
<sunshavi> omit my last sentence. I still use gcc 4.2 on my phone
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> for toying around and distro hopping arch / manjaro is good enough
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> this is what you primary do archetech
<archetech> I test distros yes
<archetech> why I tried armbian
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes, there are facebook groups full of people that do that
<archetech> but not obsessively like the morons you are refering to
<archetech> they cant decide on nuttin
<archetech> im hoping lane and tony get rock5 image out before anybody else and its a hit
<archetech> igor might add a little tweak too who knows ;)
<sunshavi> lanefu
<sunshavi> whois tony ?
<archetech> tonymac
<archetech> Mr EE
<sunshavi> he is not in the chanell at this moment. he is not in the list of names
<sunshavi> why Mr EE?
<archetech> nope
<archetech> Elect engineer
<sunshavi> fine. TheBug should be sleep at this moment
<archetech> I did R&D we send stuf to them to prototype
<sunshavi> Perhaps I should do the same
<sunshavi> R&D for rock5?
<archetech> yeah hes got a dev board
<sunshavi> let me check the specs
<archetech> not r&d just testing
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> archetech: installing software is not R&D
<sunshavi> good memory on this SBC
<archetech> my r&d is not with arm
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> turbo pascal?
<archetech> lol close
<sunshavi> BTW guys just in case i got booting archlinux from an emmc+adapter inserted on the microSD slot. with just an additional change on dtc
<archetech> hint I used paradox for the dbase
<sunshavi> clipper summer 87
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yeah, been there
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and dbase before
<sunshavi> with sidekick?
<archetech> yeah man right at the start of it all
<sunshavi> borland sidekick
<sunshavi> and the norton guide
<archetech> hangin with the real scientists at Univ
<sunshavi> i am recoding a prg i did and lost the floopy ath that time
<sunshavi> well guys. I should sleep. Nice conversation
<sunshavi> enjoy the rest of the day
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yoo too
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<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> That was a fun read
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> I did forget that irc doesn't have explicit #off-topic
<c0rnelius> yeah. sorry
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<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> No big deal as long as there is no on-topic stuff going on the same time 😄
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Night shift is seldom on-topic so low risk lol
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<lvrp16> is there a quick way to symlink a kernel you installed in armbian?
<lvrp16> or some formal process?
<buZz> symlink? i dont think many bootloaders follow symlinks to kernel files
<buZz> lvrp16: why not just modify whatever bootloader your sbc uses, to load your kernel instead?
<buZz> so you could switch back easily on failure of boot
<lvrp16> Armbian does no? I dpkg -i a new kernel but the links were never updated
<lvrp16> so it still booted to the old kernel
<lvrp16> thought maybe armbian had a different way to do it
<buZz> does no what?
<buZz> lvrp16: why did you dpkg -i ? whats wrong with apt?
<buZz> is the kernel you installed even from armbian?
<c0rnelius> this isn't armbian specific but in general you could create a postinst script to have it create the symlink during the kernel installation.
<c0rnelius> if you didn't want to go through all that you could also create a script in: /etc/initramfs/post-update.d/ that makes the symlink as well.
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<lvrp16> cool thanks!
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<stipa> the short is gone on my OPI, go figure, i have just connected it to the AT supply...
<stipa> could some chip put short over the 5V rail? maybe a protection...
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<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> for at least some boards, the u-boot has the name of the kernel/initrd (which is the name of the symlink) and the boot partition has symlinks to the real files.
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> What specific board, what specific image?
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<quantum_> Ok I've started a Forum topic on none of the images working on the Odroid N2+ https://forum.armbian.com/topic/22743-odroid-n2-forever-circle/
<ArmbianHelper> ^ Error retrieving title. Check the log for more details.
<stipa> odroid N2+ is known to work well
<stipa> topic is not found...
<stipa> on the forum
<quantum_> I guess it's awaiting Mod approval.
<stipa> could be if you're new and you're trying to make more topics than one in a short period
<stipa> there's a guy from the US that has N2+ or N2, he's into it, he'll maybe come later
<stipa> nick: archetech
<stipa> topic appeare
<stipa> d
<quantum_> Yes I've gone round and round with Nick. No dice.
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<ArmbianHelper> ^ Downstream Status
<TRS-80> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> that table is so old....
<TRS-80> so?
<TRS-80> Once thrown over wall, I don't think Android kernel changes much. Of course Linux does which is the whole problem.
<TRS-80> maybe you were saying it's only worse now? lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> most/all of those numbers aren't close anymore since we're on 4.9.325 in mainline now and its still comparing against .227
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> so that bifurcation alone would be next to impossible to recreate
<steev> i mean, if the phone is working, should they really bump the kernel for an x86 security patch?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> for security definitely
<steev> if the security of the arm device is in question, sure, i'd agree, but not all patches in all versions matter
<steev> i haven't looked at the 4.19.227 to 4.19.325 diffstat or anything, but i'm gonna guess some might affect sdm845
<steev> but the vast majority probably don't even touch on subsystems that it uses
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> Take it from someone whose life was maintaining field branch code builds... having to do x*revs instead of consolidated code gets old
<steev> i will defer to your obviously superior knowledge and experience
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I just wish we had git/svn back then
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> the junk we had was junk
<steev> you didn't like bitkeeper?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> oh it was way before that
<steev> i mean, yeah, git is good, it's a shame it hasn't always been around
<steev> unfortunately, we cannot turn back the hands of time
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I was doing original rcs stuff
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> that thing was painful
<steev> i appreciate your sacrifice
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> heheh it was oddly fun though
<steev> though... i wonder if i could forward port that fingerprint reader stuff
<steev> it would be neat to enable the fingerprint reader on the c630
<nekomancer[m]> mercurial is human mind-oriented rcs, git designed for the aliens. git is a winner, that means most of developers are aliens.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> haahaa
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> indeed
<TRS-80> :D
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> I never said I was human lo
<nekomancer[m]> humans are minority in the raging IT world