01:01 <Armbian-Discord> <T​heBug> Yeah that board is a real maze and those with real knowledge of it seem to have given up interest in it mostly. If someone would know any info on that it may be MoeIcenowy ... But I dont know if she would even want to spend time on it as I mentioned.. It is a linux-sunxi board so another option if you are serious is to ask sone others over there but I am also guessing you have already done that..

01:04 <archetech> arm is weird in that owners beat dead horses often

01:05 <archetech> I gave my rockv2 too much time before getting a N2+

01:05 <archetech> rock64v2

01:06 <archetech> but didnt ave to have it pried from heands

01:06 <archetech> but I didnt have to have it pried from my hands

01:10 <archetech> I like a tech challenge but theres a point ya have throw some $ down and move on

01:22 <stipa> yeah, sometimes you lose

01:26 <lanefu> and sometimes you wait 2 years and hten it works

01:26 <lanefu> lol

01:26 <lanefu> my rock64v2 ended up being fairly stable later on

01:27 <lanefu> but i just used it as a tester and it mostly idled

01:27 <lanefu> it's probably f'd up again given my recent luck in club rockchip

01:28 <lanefu> i should STFU and get my build VM fixed (again)

01:33 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Team ebin

01:33 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Zero patches

01:44 <lanefu> lol

01:44 <lanefu> ever seen my commit history.. I'm the king of 1 line commits

02:34 <Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I have deleted way more stuff than I have ever added

02:47 <lanefu> its a gift

03:03 <archetech> lol the more armbian code ya kill the better it gets eh

04:52 <Macer> ok. guess i need to take a real hard look at this armbian sd to find out why uboot won't boot it

04:53 <Macer> it's weird because tow-boot will if i pick it from the boot menu but not automatically. maybe something in an update borked it

04:53 <Macer> i would love to find out why it doesn't boot from emmc too on pinebook pro .. seems like a serious issue with emmc on pbp

05:17 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> I recently learned emmc has two "boot" partitions, and can be somehow configured to provide those to the boot firmware.

05:18 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> and that's configured through mtd-tools

06:49 <Macer> ManoftheSea: seems like manjaro (stock) on pbp uses a fat partition in front of ext4 partition

06:49 <Macer> i know i can't seem to get either dietpi or armbian to boot off emmc using it. and it's hit or miss with tow-boot

07:49 <lanefu> Try an older armbian release like 21.11

07:49 <lanefu> See if it behaves as expected

11:58 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> For /boot? Or is it gpt and an efi partition?

14:05 <Armbian-Discord> <c​lever> the pi4 allows /boot to be either efi system partition or microsoft basic data when using gpt

14:46 <Macer> lanefu: wound up going with manjaro xfce on emmc which seems stable (for now)... pinebook pro really is a pain

14:48 <Macer> seems like suspend still doesn't work. s2idle sort of functions no matter what distro/kernel/uboot i use

14:48 <Macer> my guess is that hibernate is probably a pipe dream

14:51 <lanefu> yeah hibernate to disk... forget about it

14:51 <lanefu> biggest problem i had with s2idle

14:51 <lanefu> really is that by teh time the lid closes it inverts its state

14:51 <lanefu> like it sleepos then wakes up

14:56 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Yeah, I guess they aren't mutually exclusive

14:56 <archetech> https://linuxgizmos.com/friendlyelec-unveils-rockchip-based-nanopi-r5s-sbc-with-gigabit-wan-lan-support-and-hdmi-output/

14:56 <ArmbianHelper> ^ FriendlyELEC unveils Rockchip based NanoPi R5S SBC with gigabit WAN/LAN support and HDMI output

14:57 <archetech> nice little gateway/firewall sbc

14:57 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> It's got pros and cons

14:58 <archetech> ill put ipfire on it

16:23 <Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Ipfire the thing so old it can't even handle the iptables wrappers for nftables?

16:28 <archetech> its a rewrite of ipcop and its current afaik

16:29 <archetech> I like its web panel

16:30 <stipa> i've been thinking to have it on a a BSD VM machine or smthn

16:30 <stipa> on a a brdige

16:30 <stipa> bridge*

16:31 <stipa> but that's iso image if i'm not mistaken

16:32 <stipa> ah no

16:32 <stipa> that's linux thing, ipfire

16:32 <stipa> i guess i was thinking on ipsense

16:33 <stipa> OPNsense

16:33 <archetech> I dont see an arm version

16:33 <stipa> it was a long time ago i played with that

16:35 <stipa> but i guess i could route all my internet traffic through a BSD VM

16:35 <stipa> with firewall

16:39 <stipa> this thing https://opnsense.org/

16:39 <ArmbianHelper> ^ OPNsense® a true open source security platform and more - OPNsense® is a true open source firewall and more

16:40 <Macer> archetech: that thing actually looks pretty neat

16:41 <archetech> its easy to setup for avg guy too

16:42 <Macer> as a firewall? i figure devs would be all over that thing to make it something worthwhile

16:42 <archetech> its not a pkg its a distro

16:42 <stipa> yea

16:42 <archetech> based on LFS

16:43 <stipa> that kind of stuff runs just a firewall with some kind of WEB gui

16:43 <Macer> well i've been running pfsense on my ancient atom D2500 for years lol

16:44 <stipa> set and forget

16:44 <Macer> pretty much

16:44 <archetech> aarch64 https://www.ipfire.org/download/ipfire-2.27-core164

16:44 <ArmbianHelper> ^ www.ipfire.org - IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 164

16:44 <Macer> just like my orangepi+2e that i keep in my small rack cabinet

16:45 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> archetech you probably never installed this on arm64?

16:45 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and never saw ipfire forums?

16:45 <Macer> i should check on that thing. i set it to auto update but it's been there so long that it's probably running some armbian from 3 years ago

16:47 <archetech> IgorPec: no is that relevant I used it alot on x86

16:47 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> it is very relevant

16:48 <Macer> IgorPec: does it not work?

16:48 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> there are no x86 boards around here

16:48 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> macer: probably it works a bit on rpi4

16:49 <archetech> \so is it going to perform or act differently

16:49 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> best supported non rpi board https://community.ipfire.org/t/friendlyarm-nanopi-r4s/4196 doesn't work

16:49 <Macer> rpi has only 1 nic doesn't it? i haven't lookeda t rpis in a while

16:49 <ArmbianHelper> ^ FriendlyARM NanoPi R4S - Single Board Computers - IPFire Community

16:49 <stipa> i guess there are some firewall images fro rpi

16:50 <buZz> hehe firewall with 1 network card

16:50 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> what has physical appearance to do with usability? 🙂

16:50 <buZz> you'd better have vlan support on your lan :D

16:50 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> tl;dr; even very simple hw does not work with ipfire

16:50 <archetech> vlan isnt needed at all it has one zone per nic

16:50 <stipa> the board archetech want to put it on has 3 nics

16:50 <buZz> per one nic

16:51 <buZz> ah, ok, i was talking about raspi though ;)

16:51 <Macer> i was talking about the rpi4 that IgorPec mentioned

16:52 <Macer> but hey. if it works on that board you posted that would be cool

16:52 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> aha, well, you can have usb nic ...

16:52 <Macer> yuck :)

16:52 <stipa> rpi could do ti with a compo of wifi and ethernet

16:52 <stipa> as an AP it could work

16:53 <Macer> is it really worth getting a pi for that though? you can probably find something cheaper / better that was actually built for it

16:53 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes, and probably works (i will certainly not waste my time to check that), but rpi is anyway not a router class board

16:53 <stipa> yeah, it has no sense to put that stuff on sbcs with one nic

16:54 <archetech> this new r5s is an excellent design for it any aarch64 sbc with 2 or more nics should be fine

16:54 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and on sbc where is no software support and it will take months / years that things will work. In the mean time another fancy looking device will show up.

16:55 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> there are other more simple boards to consider, like R2S, R1, Rockpi E

16:55 <Macer> ah. opnsense runs on it

16:56 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> on which ?

16:56 <Macer> R4S

16:56 <Macer> but R5S not even out

16:57 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> R4S is RK3399 based which is 2nd most used chip

16:58 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i would expect that ipfire would work on it, but it doesn't. even opnsense is a question how usable actually is

16:58 <archetech> your bot picked it up

16:58 <archetech> https://forum.armbian.com/topic/20818-cnx-software-nanopi-r5s-router-sbcgateway-with-2x-25gbe-1x-gigabit-ethernet-m2-nvme-storage-coming-soon/

16:58 <ArmbianHelper> ^ [CNX-Software] - NanoPi R5S router SBC/gateway with 2x 2.5GbE, 1x Gigabit Ethernet, M.2 NVMe storage coming soon - Tech News - armbian forum

16:59 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i know, getting hw next week

16:59 <archetech> goody

16:59 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but am not planning to install anything on it 😉

16:59 <archetech> lol

16:59 <archetech> out of spite

17:00 <Macer> lol

17:00 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> there is pile of hw in the queue

17:00 <archetech> move this to the front

17:01 <Macer> fu pay me

17:01 <Macer> lol

17:01 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> there is a donation button. Put your savings in and we will hire help

17:01 <archetech> got any rk3588 dev boards yet?

17:01 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> those we are not even opening

17:06 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Bummer that they do not make a 4GB version of the R5S. But at least it has m2 key so swap on nvme can be added

17:07 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> perhaps +variant is comming

17:07 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> now when its possible to add more memory we have chip crisis 😦

17:18 <stipa> yeah, 2GB of ram and nvme port has no sense

17:19 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> for a router / small nas?

17:19 <stipa> i saw a board like the in some of few last links

17:19 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you don't need best hw with best specs for this

17:19 <stipa> like that*

17:20 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> For NAS the Neo3 was really neat. GBe, USB3 and very compact

17:20 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Bummer it did not survive 😄

17:20 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> (mine at least)

17:21 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> in my daytime contract we use single core imx arm cpu to drive certain functions. there is no need to have more powerful one

17:22 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> well, "NAS" is again a very extended term

17:22 <stipa> idk, cpu usage jumps all over the place, some functions eat a lot of CPU some don't

17:23 <stipa> some peripherals have shitty driver

17:23 <stipa> slow one

17:23 <stipa> + they need a bunch of CPU, it's hard to tell

17:24 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> with custom hardware it always start with a use

17:24 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and most people don't get it. and keep comparing this to a PC

17:26 <stipa> yeah, just getting it to the useful point without optimization seems to be hard

17:27 <stipa> or it's just so shitty that optimization doesn't help at all

17:28 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> optimisation is the expensive thing

17:31 <stipa> it sure is labour of love