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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I believe the proper pocket PC's were quite a bit more expensive than that (Jornada 720, MobilePro 900)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I want that sized clamshell back
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<IgorPec> Xen: Cadmium project is reusing propriatery kernel from Android which is not what we do here. Hardware we deal with is free of that. I doubt Lenovo will cover https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_FAQ/#development-time so we are no interested for "testings"
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<Armbian-Discord> <c​razybyte> Hello. Is the wrongly reported CPU temperature on Orange Pi Zero LTS (the reported temperature is lower than 30C) somehow fixed or the only fix is to use the Ubuntu image provided by Xunlong instead of Armbian? Thank you!
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> didn't you already asked this question on forums?
<Armbian-Discord> <c​razybyte> yes
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> And you see nothing wrong in repeating technical question on the different channel without even saying hello? Armbian has community forums, not tech support on request. Check https://forum.armbian.com/guidelines and general FAQ https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_FAQ/ ... make your self comfortable and wait that someone that has time and know-how to see your question and provide you an answer.
<Armbian-Discord> <c​razybyte> @IgorPec No i don't see anything wrong. It's only a simple question. Perhaps somebody can see it that won't look for it on the forum. It's only a question if you don't want to answer it or you want to ignore it you can you don't have to be snarky. Also the issues is pretty old and seems unsolved so I asked here where probably there is more activity (there is a bigger probability that a solution was found by someone tha
<Armbian-Discord> monitoring that particular post). I didn't asked for tech support there or here either I only asked if somebody has a possible fix since the last time that was discussed. Any way thank you for your answer and help
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> there are 1000 people that needs simple answers at the same moment.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you need to wait. that's all
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and please to check FAQ before requesting small help. it might reveal you why we can't help you
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<steev> crazybyte: perhaps you should look into what xunlong does to their kernel that fixes the reported info. it could be a patch that you could then contribute
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<c0rnelius> I just looked. They make major changes to the dtsi file related to the dts. Thermals are for sure changed.
<c0rnelius> I'm sure there is more to it than that. But the actual commit made to the repo is so large that its not viewable through a web browser.
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<stipa> a large fuckup
<c0rnelius> It appears, because they didn't fork it like a normal person would.
<stipa> if everyone was normal life wouldn't be so interesting
<c0rnelius> Is what it is I suppose.
<stipa> yea
<c0rnelius> Whatever. I don't own the board... Don't plan to either.
<stipa> boards like that should be donated kids in Africa
<stipa> eventually rhey would make it work
<c0rnelius> I have an OrangePi R1 someone sent me and yeah... I don't use it, but I don't recall the thermals not working correctly? and I believe it's the same SoC.
<stipa> i guess it's regression
<c0rnelius> Looking at it now it was just two patches. Pretty sure I found them over at Armbians hub.
<c0rnelius> Could be
<stipa> guy who complained sounded like it was functional before
<c0rnelius> ah
<stipa> or on a linux version from the manufacturer it works
<stipa> smthn like that
<stipa> so, no maintainer
<stipa> manufacturers should really help in that
<c0rnelius> Well could always learn how to build a kernel and just pull their source? I pull from tobetter for my Odroids to avoid needing to do all that patching.
<stipa> contributing to the Armbian code
<stipa> i dunoo how it all works, i guess the krenel update is the problem
<stipa> new features in the kernel fuck everything else up
<stipa> and linus doesn't care
<c0rnelius> For sure... 5.14.y is kind of a mess.
<c0rnelius> 5.13 was pretty stable I thought.
<stipa> it is what it is, probably it's the bast it can be
<stipa> manufacturers should take care of that
<c0rnelius> It seems like they sometimes make changes that look good on paper but not real world usage, which creates breakage.
<stipa> to adapt their shit to new kernels
<stipa> or if it's reverse enginered the team that did it should do updates
<stipa> c0rnelius: yeah, it's how it goes, i always break something else if i want to add something in
<stipa> it's oke if there's something to fix it
<stipa> someone*
<c0rnelius> Like what they did to eth and RK3399. Pulled out all that pm related shit and broke it. So now they are doing a partial revert.
<stipa> that's what current stuff is all about
<stipa> making changes and fixing what gets broken
<c0rnelius> and the argument is basically well... We really don't know how this works? Oh well.
<nekomancer[m]> > For sure... 5.14.y is kind of a mess.
<nekomancer[m]> hope for awhile
<stipa> there's 5.15 fro manjaro
<stipa> experimental*
<c0rnelius> I don't trust Arch stuff.
<stipa> 5.14 is stable
<stipa> it's my daily driver
<c0rnelius> I think I use like one patch from them?
<stipa> yeah, patches are neat
<c0rnelius> They have pretty good defconfigs for kernels.
<stipa> all hackery there is is in there
<stipa> but that's x86
<stipa> arm stuff has poor dev count
<c0rnelius> I ran Arch for a while. I think like a year? And in that year it broke on me twice. So I just gave up and went back to Debian.
<archetech> 5.14.8 fr manjaro seems the same as tobetters atm
<c0rnelius> Pretty sure they pull from tobetter
<archetech> first time its been ok on n2+
<archetech> no they dont use his repo afaik
<c0rnelius> Although the defconfig they use doesn't include some of his adds? Not sure why that? But I took that defconfig and made my mods and thats what I use.
<stipa> c0rnelius: manjaro is oke, arch also broke on me few times
<c0rnelius> Thats what I'm referring too.
<stipa> i suggest plasma version of manjaro
<archetech> archdroid is a user repo
<c0rnelius> gotcha
<archetech> stipa: I run both gnome and kde fr manj
<stipa> i run xfce on my workstation, it could be better, plasma is on laptop and one another laptop runs xfce too, next time when xfce's broke i'll slam plasma on them
<archetech> and kubuntu fr odroid
<archetech> im talking arm
<stipa> on arm i run only Armbian, the best there is
<archetech> almost nobody runs armbian on an N2
<archetech> for DE use
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> armbian is by far best OS on N2
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> just you lack that intelegence
<c0rnelius> I don't use any arm stuff for DE usage. Thats what my laptop and PC are for.
<stipa> me to, i still enjoy the jet noise from the fans
<stipa> and dust cleaning
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Hardkernel did publish a new n2 desktop image recently that seems like it might be pretty good
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> did they incorporate our boot system ? 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> what our images are lacking is a small fine touch
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> if we manage to get back our focus and not fixing tottally pointless things, we might get better here
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Lol no idea And I doubt it
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<c0rnelius> What so special about ur boot vs hardkernels? Aren't you both using vendor and a boot.ini file?
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> We have mainline for -edge now
<c0rnelius> And that works with boot.ini? Last time I checked, no.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> no boot.ini anymore
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we keep legacy versions doh, but edge is pure mainline
<c0rnelius> So moved on to extlinux?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> extlinux is optional
<c0rnelius> gotcha
<c0rnelius> You guys added that nomap patch to stop the random halts and reboots I hope.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> there are no reboot problems
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> finally
<c0rnelius> nice
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> https://github.com/armbian/build/pull/3154
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> https://github.com/armbian/build/pull/3155
<c0rnelius> Yeah you guys are doing the same as I. Took me a whiles to figure it out when I got the board of rneese. Very frustrating.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> r&d can be frustrating 🙂 don't tell me
<c0rnelius> Setting this in the defconfig `CONFIG_DRM_MESON=y` actually prevents the need for the odroid reboot patch?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> that you will need to ask rpardini
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> not sure
<c0rnelius> Oh... I think thats just for the revert patch.
<c0rnelius> If I'm reading it correctly
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<c0rnelius> For shits and giggles you guys should add Devuan.
<c0rnelius> patrick@rock64:~$ dmesg | grep "Linux version"; dmesg | grep model; cat /etc/os-release | grep chimaera
<c0rnelius> [ 0.000000] Linux version 5.14.9 (root@debian-image-builder) (gcc-10 (Ubuntu 10.3.0-1ubuntu1) 10.3.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.36.1) #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Oct 3 11:36:58 EDT 2021
<c0rnelius> [ 0.000000] Machine model: Pine64 Rock64
<c0rnelius> PRETTY_NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera)"
<c0rnelius> VERSION="4 (chimaera)"
<c0rnelius> If I can do the basics you guys should be able to do good stuff.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> sadly, we can't afford https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_FAQ/#development-time
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I spent the last week doing nothing for work or anything else. I did some woodworking and drank some. 😆. Feeling better, but back to day job tomorrow. 😑
<IgorPec> doing nothing feels tempting ;)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I was spinning out, haha
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> So needed to just coast. Brother in law was visiting too
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> c0rnelius: https://forum.armbian.com/topic/10024-devuan-armbian/
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but yeah, according to this context, debian DE can be skipped
<c0rnelius> Last time I tested a DE with Devuan on arm it wasn't bad. But I guess that would vary with boards.
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> the problem is who will develop and maintain it within armbian?
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<c0rnelius> True enough. But honestly there isn't much of a difference between that and Debian. If you have custom systemd services those would need to be converted to inits, but I get ur point.
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<Armbian-Discord> <X​en> Haha. I can't believe people are still fighting systemd.
<nekomancer[m]> they don't.
<nekomancer[m]> just use it.
<c0rnelius> Yeah I find it pretty funny myself. I just dibble in it because, why not? I have zero current systems running Devuan beyond ones I test builds on.
<c0rnelius> People say it uses less memory? But honestly don't see it.
<c0rnelius> I mean if you wanted to get real bad ass, run CRUX and build everything super specific and tight for the current arch ur running.
<IgorPec> bad is is yocto / buildroot
<archetech> LFS! ftw
<c0rnelius> I've never used them before. Heard of them, that's it. I use to run CRUX `back when the dinosaurs were still running around` on my PC, but yeah on Arm its just a chore at this point.
<c0rnelius> Although CRUX was the inspiration for archetech's favorite Distro :)
<archetech> Archis my fav it came from LFS
<c0rnelius> No, it came from CRUX
<IgorPec> yotco / buildroot (and armbian :) are for professionals
* archetech is a rank amateur
<c0rnelius> take right from the wiki - Inspired by CRUX, another minimalist distribution, Judd Vinet started the Arch Linux project in March 2002
<IgorPec> its something completly different build a linux from sources then making it
<archetech> c0rnelius: not the whole story
<c0rnelius> If there a whole story? ever?
<IgorPec> arch is forever and after ;)
<nekomancer[m]> end of history was declared in 1992.
<c0rnelius> There was dirt, water and then... Arch was there!
<nekomancer[m]> we all living after the end.
<IgorPec> probably
<c0rnelius> Oh shit, are we in the Matrix?
<nekomancer[m]> yes.
<c0rnelius> Knock, Knock
<Armbian-Discord> <M​odmike> I can't believe I finally found an Armbian chat. I've spent 12 hours trying to configure uart. Can anyone help me?
<yang> I am considering buying an Armbian well supported SBC, which one can you recommend to run stable version of Armbian. Currently I have RPI2 and Chilliboard, I think both are unsupported.
<yang> what about banana pi, I have an extra chasis for that one?
<Armbian-Discord> <M​odmike> I am trying to configure uart on BPI M2 zero but no luck. Any chance you can help me out?
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<yang> modmike a plug for serial console ?
<Armbian-Discord> <M​odmike> No
<Armbian-Discord> <M​odmike> I am trying to enable uart 3 for simple serial control
<steev> how are you trying to configure it?
<steev> s/configure/enable/
<ArmbianHelper> steev meant to say: how are you trying to enable it?
<Armbian-Discord> <M​odmike> Using Armbian Config
<steev> you just kept running the command over and over for 12 hours/
<yang> so not something like this ? https://paste.debian.net/plain/1214219
<steev> the bpi m2 is a freescale^Wnxp chip?
<Armbian-Discord> <M​odmike> But I suspect that wont work. Am I suppose to define an overlay in Arnianenv.txt?
<Armbian-Discord> <M​odmike> Funny but no
<steev> i'm lost. you said you've been trying to 12 hours, so what have you actually tried
<Armbian-Discord> <M​odmike> Everything I could find reference to on the web
<Armbian-Discord> <M​odmike> What is the proper way to enable UART 3?
<steev> well, i'm not about to google it to figure out what "everything" could be
<Armbian-Discord> <M​odmike> This is what I get:
<Armbian-Discord> <M​odmike> https://paste.debian.net/1214220
<Armbian-Discord> <M​odmike> Can we forget about what I tried and focus on how to do it?
<Armbian-Discord> <M​odmike> I guess not.
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<stipa> yang: how much money do you plan to burn on an SBC?
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<stipa_> yang: something with RK3399
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<yang> stipa: hello, up to 100 EUR I'd say
<yang> RK3399 something from PINE company ?
<stipa> rk3399 is a soc
<yang> yes
<yang> I ment something like Rock64 or Rock64PRo
<stipa> dunno, see if it's supported
<stipa> from the thread nicod wrote: NanoPi M4V2 with 4GB
<stipa> runs it for a year without prob
<yang> stipa: temporary I could just replace the SD card in my current bananapi and play with raspbian for a while
<yang> sorrry, i ment Armbian
<stipa> right, i guess ome bannanas are supported
<stipa> some*
<yang> yeah I have the first version, I think it's supported
<stipa> right
<yang> I also have PINe64 which is supported, but already has an OS on it
<[TheBug]> RockPi 4c or RockPro64
<[TheBug]> are two stable rk3399 platforms
<[TheBug]> also there is NanoPi M4V2
<[TheBug]> and NanoPC T4
<[TheBug]> there are quite a few rk3399
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I don't know about the M4V2, the T4 I can totally recommend
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> My M4V2 was a pain in the ass and I stopped caring about it, should recheck
<yang> thanks
<stipa> yw
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> the m4 is not worth it
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> v1/v2/v2b
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> all have to many issues
<yang> Maybe RockPro64 would be a good choice
<archetech> odroid N2+
<archetech> cadillac
<yang> I need to check if rockpro64 is locally available...
<yang> maybe IgorPec can tell me where would be best to buy it
<yang> I usually go to IC-ELECT
<stipa> i sense it's hard to get hands on any of those rk3399 boards
<stipa> NanoPi M4V2 Availability: Temporary Stopped
<stipa> pine is like, i guess waiting for ever if it's like laptops and phones
<Armbian-Discord> <X​en> Quartz64 looks interesting
<stipa> t4 is 175 $
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> TonyMac32 have time to work on the fe-som-dev and get the edp working
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> so we can start testing
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> do I need send yu bling
<Armbian-Discord> <X​en> Geez. You have to propose marriage to get stuff done around here? Crazy!
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> hahah
<yang> stipa: I guess PINE is only obtainable from the pine.org (no distributors) China
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> boards are getting harder to get since the parts shortage
<[TheBug]> Xen: Quartz64 like RockPi 3A will probably not have much support for some time though.. that is the unfortunate so rk3399 is a much more mature option to choose for now
<Armbian-Discord> <X​en> The next Pine laptop is gonna be pretty cool if it's based on the Quartz64. Looking forward to that. Getting sick of using Chrome OS for Arm dev. Crostini is super fragile.
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> QualComm 8c
<Armbian-Discord> <X​en> Are they coming out this year or next year?
<Armbian-Discord> <X​en> I've seen some 7Cs announced, but haven't seen any 8C devices announced.
<stipa> yang: dunno
<Armbian-Discord> <X​en> thebug: that's true.
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<steev> xen if you don't mind the price, lenovo flex 5g
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<steev> or if you wanna snag one off ebay, the lenovo yoga c630 (NOT chromebook edition) - the only out of tree patches for the c630 are battery and backlight control (but the latter was submitted recently)
<c0rnelius> steev: Hey. What happened to tuxd3v? Did he jump the Devuan ship or something?
<steev> c0rnelius: no idea, i don't know who that is
<c0rnelius> oh
<c0rnelius> hmmm
<steev> i'm not a devuan dev, i'm a kali dev :)
<c0rnelius> oh ok. Yeah him and danfree2air just like disappeared?
<steev> hopefully they're okay, it definitely happens in the open source world when people get busy
<c0rnelius> and of course no one over there is talking.
<c0rnelius> I figured something happened as I see him in #debian sometimes. I just thought you might know.
<steev> ah, i don't hang in there either, although i'm in a bunch of the debian channels on oftc
<c0rnelius> Thats the one.
<c0rnelius> I stopped hanging there... Debian channels get scary sometimes. Its like hanging with the bsd group.