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<IgorPec>
werner: ready to roll?
<IgorPec>
good morning ;)
<Werner>
I guess so
<Werner>
However I may have to revisit the PR since I saw some weirdness in the comparison. However g2g see doctor. l8r
<IgorPec>
PR can wait
<IgorPec>
l8r
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<sunshavi>
Hi. guys. I have a question. When I type within xterm 'espeak -s 150 -ves-la+f5 howdy'. It does not sound the first time. Does It happens to You guys?
<stipa>
even that is a waste but for some reason i guess the space is cheap
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> if someone picks up , else remove
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> our time is expensive
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> not space
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i still lost 10+ h every day
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> many hours for scumbags and idiots
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> which i don't need to
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<stipa>
lol
<stipa>
true that, i'm a scumbug but i don't know to code, fuck it
<stipa>
i'm trying to do something about it but all i get is it's not worth it which kinda crawls under the skin
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yeah
<stipa>
it brings you down
<stipa>
at the end you're afraid to do anything
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> exactly
<stipa>
idk, it's what it is
<stipa>
it's the state of things
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> tl;dr; the cost to provide images is a lot a lot more than what is seen from that archive or git
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> and most people have absolutely no attitude
* archetech
has attitude and aptitude
<stipa>
yeah, pepole don't understand something if they don't try to do it themselves
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> archetech: good day
<stipa>
that's a fact, i also do it sometimes without any respect
<archetech>
g'day
<archetech>
cleaning house of boards is a good idea as ive said
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<archetech>
dead weight
<archetech>
khadas vim4 looks interesting
<stipa>
IgorPec: but i guess it's a good strategy, manufacturers will try harder to help
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> perhaps, in any case, more room for us
<stipa>
yeah, manufacturers that don't contribute to the code in either case don't deserve their boards to be on the supported list
<stipa>
that'll teach them some repsect
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yes, well they can be ... if they care about
<stipa>
right
<stipa>
it's in everybodys interest that boards just work
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> but i don't count they will do anything. they don't care
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> most of
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yeah, but nobody is willing to pay that bill
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> just work = fucking expensive
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> flawless functioning is not so simple to achieve. especially if your budget is zero
<stipa>
yeah, but with one or two boards it's achievable and enough, like rpi does it, two boards in few years life span
<stipa>
and they're doing well
<stipa>
financially*
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> rpi has million + community developers and their hw is not changing.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> its not comparable
<stipa>
yeah, neither will your's with your new plan
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> but yes, fewer boards we can master better
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> that's clear
<stipa>
but, even they struggle to make things work, especially with blob peripherals
<stipa>
so instead of dealing with SBC manufacturers they're dealing with part manufacturers who don't want to contribute but like to sell crappy chips in billions
<stipa>
the ultimate solution would be open hardware
<c0rnelius>
good luck with that one
<stipa>
there are almost all peripherals in fpga
<stipa>
including wifi
<stipa>
with the help of community wifi in fpga would be a reality in no time
<stipa>
like, every possible combo of it
<stipa>
and every speed
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> at the end of the day. who will cover us 50h per day?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> which business case?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> if this is not possible, why do we do this?
<c0rnelius>
Kool. I got a bridge I can sell you too.
<stipa>
IgorPec: neither would but with open hardware it would at least be fully functional
<c0rnelius>
I think the idea of dropping boards and just supporting the ones that you guys can make work to a tee is a good idea.
<stipa>
it is
<stipa>
fainful but it's better
<stipa>
painful*
<stipa>
you simply can't make things work, especially with chips you know whit about or have bugs
<stipa>
the saddest thing is that people buy that crap
<c0rnelius>
Well sometimes it takes some research and effort.
<archetech>
my N2+ works to a tee any tobetter image or LFS its been great
<archetech>
beat the heck out of it compiling w/ usb hdd
<c0rnelius>
Mine too... I actually extracted his patch set :)
<c0rnelius>
So I can just build from mainline instead of pulling from him.
<archetech>
so stipa ya sound like a whiner buy a n2+ ;)
<c0rnelius>
Although his 5.15.y branch is broke and I haven't bothered to tell him yet.
<archetech>
arm is what it is buy wisely
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> open hardware has nothing to do with fully fucntioning
<stipa>
archetech: maybe when chips get cheaper :D
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> that's BS. you still need expensive resources to bring that up and maintain. we don't deal with closed source stuff anyway
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> and still, things doesn't function. the problem is that nobody wants to cover expenses of R&D. free or non free, plays not role here
<stipa>
IgorPec: it would be much easier to make a change in fpga array to fix stuff if it's a silicon bug and all "chip" internals would have been known to the coders above hardware
<archetech>
odroid is the Honda of ARM
<stipa>
IgorPec: fpga "runs" code which can be changed whenever you want
<stipa>
the code is a structure of a chip inside of it
<stipa>
whenever an fpga starts it loads that code
<stipa>
and electronics inside take a form of a chip
<stipa>
wifi chip for example
<stipa>
by changing the code fpga loads it can be whatever chips there is
<stipa>
in open hardware that code is open
<archetech>
risc-v not viable yet
<stipa>
yeah, ric5 with blob peripherals
<stipa>
risc*
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<stipa>
for like ultimate thing every chip that doesn't share instruction chip with the public should be in fpga form
<stipa>
instruction set*
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> fpga is not used that way
<stipa>
not yet
<stipa>
something like fpga connected to the soc
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> we use this in my day work for a project where 300 people work on
<miroesq>
Flashed Armbian Buster for the Odroid XU4 on an SD card. When starting the os, I entered root/1234, but am now stuck on Waiting for system to finish booting.
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<stipa>
IgorPec: right
<stipa>
fpgas supported by linux like to the cell structure are expensive
<stipa>
not very economical and wouldn't sell much since not many understand what it is
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> fpga is for industrial usage
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> not for something on 15 usd level
<stipa>
if it would have been cheap people would buy it without knowing what it is but there is big possibility that open hardware wifi chip would work
<stipa>
yeah, not cheap
<stipa>
especially since fpgas alre also blobs
<stipa>
both software and hardware
<stipa>
like it's gates, what could go wrong
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> you don't see the biggest part. hw is dirt cheap
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> wifi . how many people do you know that handles radio communications?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> that understand how things works?
<stipa>
zero
<stipa>
especially since it's private IP
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i know a few and i know that they have no interest to do anything in here just for fun
<archetech>
narmstrong knows his chit aml kern dev
<stipa>
miroesq: there's maybe some service or something that's blocking the boot at some point
<stipa>
try to edit the /root/ armbianENV or something like that to verbosity=7
<stipa>
that way maybe you'll have more info in the boot process about what's going on
<miroesq>
thank you. will try it now
<stipa>
or /boot/armbianENV
<miroesq>
I will check that out as well
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> it doesn't stop just like that. its probably bad sd card
<miroesq>
Armbian-Discord: I will try a different SD card, but I had this issue before where I installed Debian 11 on an SD card and got that error, then I flahed the same SD card with Debian 10 and it ran fine. maybe it's a bad sectpr or something