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<IgorPec> werner: ready to roll?
<IgorPec> good morning ;)
<Werner> I guess so
<Werner> However I may have to revisit the PR since I saw some weirdness in the comparison. However g2g see doctor. l8r
<IgorPec> PR can wait
<IgorPec> l8r
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<sunshavi> Hi. guys. I have a question. When I type within xterm 'espeak -s 150 -ves-la+f5 howdy'. It does not sound the first time. Does It happens to You guys?
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<stipa> H8, that must be good!
<stipa> thats 2 times better than H6
<stipa> 8 cores, dang
<stipa> seems old :/
<stipa> yeah, 2014
<sunshavi> just 2GB mem
<sunshavi> and powerVR
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<sunshavi> But h8 is kinda cool
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<sunshavi> thanks for sharing the info
<stipa> sunshavi: yw
<stipa> at first i thought it' a board with 8 GB of ram, something fresh and new and that it just works
<stipa> but, not today
<stipa> it's oke for headless stuff
<stipa> for a server, it has sata port so, it's fine
<stipa> but the question is does the software even works or not
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> some paperweight stuff
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> if you don't see armbian, stop looking
<stipa> i guess i haven't see it on the armbian list
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> its also quite old
<sunshavi> TheBug: Hi. more movement on u-boot mailing list about espressoBin
<stipa> IgorPec: yeah, if there was any support it probably fainted away by now
<stipa> maybe not if it reached mainline
<stipa> but if it did it would be more popular
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> its already dead
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and obsolete, 32bit
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we actually tried
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but if you are the only one on the planet, its pointless
<stipa> do you have a list of boards you ditched a few days ago from support?
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> n
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> no
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> check archive - there you might find some exotics
<stipa> so, how can one know it's over? maybe by the notion that there is no more updates?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> with current big purge, we are moving more of them there
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> currently its not very clear ... but it doesn't need to be
<stipa> is this the archive?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> this service is best effort.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes
<stipa> that's a lot of boards
<stipa> even mine is there but i sensed that
<stipa> are you deleting the code or it's still available if someone wants to contribute?
<stipa> IgorPec: i mean, it wastes space right?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> "someone wants to contribute" ? years nothing, then they will start out of the blue
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> no, nothing is removed, just disabled
<stipa> IgorPec: never loose HOPE
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> its not my problem,
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> 🙂
<stipa> :D
<stipa> at least the code is still there
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we have to stop dealing with so many junk. that's it
<stipa> yeah, it's just wasting resources
<stipa> but at least you've tried and the code is still there
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we will be waiting now for until december 1st
<stipa> even that is a waste but for some reason i guess the space is cheap
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> if someone picks up , else remove
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> our time is expensive
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> not space
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i still lost 10+ h every day
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> many hours for scumbags and idiots
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> which i don't need to
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<stipa> lol
<stipa> true that, i'm a scumbug but i don't know to code, fuck it
<stipa> i'm trying to do something about it but all i get is it's not worth it which kinda crawls under the skin
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yeah
<stipa> it brings you down
<stipa> at the end you're afraid to do anything
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> exactly
<stipa> idk, it's what it is
<stipa> it's the state of things
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> tl;dr; the cost to provide images is a lot a lot more than what is seen from that archive or git
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and most people have absolutely no attitude
* archetech has attitude and aptitude
<stipa> yeah, pepole don't understand something if they don't try to do it themselves
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> archetech: good day
<stipa> that's a fact, i also do it sometimes without any respect
<archetech> g'day
<archetech> cleaning house of boards is a good idea as ive said
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<archetech> dead weight
<archetech> khadas vim4 looks interesting
<stipa> IgorPec: but i guess it's a good strategy, manufacturers will try harder to help
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> perhaps, in any case, more room for us
<stipa> yeah, manufacturers that don't contribute to the code in either case don't deserve their boards to be on the supported list
<stipa> that'll teach them some repsect
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes, well they can be ... if they care about
<stipa> right
<stipa> it's in everybodys interest that boards just work
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but i don't count they will do anything. they don't care
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> most of
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yeah, but nobody is willing to pay that bill
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> just work = fucking expensive
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> flawless functioning is not so simple to achieve. especially if your budget is zero
<stipa> yeah, but with one or two boards it's achievable and enough, like rpi does it, two boards in few years life span
<stipa> and they're doing well
<stipa> financially*
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> rpi has million + community developers and their hw is not changing.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> its not comparable
<stipa> yeah, neither will your's with your new plan
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but yes, fewer boards we can master better
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> that's clear
<stipa> but, even they struggle to make things work, especially with blob peripherals
<stipa> so instead of dealing with SBC manufacturers they're dealing with part manufacturers who don't want to contribute but like to sell crappy chips in billions
<stipa> the ultimate solution would be open hardware
<c0rnelius> good luck with that one
<stipa> there are almost all peripherals in fpga
<stipa> including wifi
<stipa> with the help of community wifi in fpga would be a reality in no time
<stipa> like, every possible combo of it
<stipa> and every speed
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> at the end of the day. who will cover us 50h per day?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> which business case?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> if this is not possible, why do we do this?
<c0rnelius> Kool. I got a bridge I can sell you too.
<stipa> IgorPec: neither would but with open hardware it would at least be fully functional
<c0rnelius> I think the idea of dropping boards and just supporting the ones that you guys can make work to a tee is a good idea.
<stipa> it is
<stipa> fainful but it's better
<stipa> painful*
<stipa> you simply can't make things work, especially with chips you know whit about or have bugs
<stipa> the saddest thing is that people buy that crap
<c0rnelius> Well sometimes it takes some research and effort.
<archetech> my N2+ works to a tee any tobetter image or LFS its been great
<archetech> beat the heck out of it compiling w/ usb hdd
<c0rnelius> Mine too... I actually extracted his patch set :)
<c0rnelius> So I can just build from mainline instead of pulling from him.
<archetech> so stipa ya sound like a whiner buy a n2+ ;)
<c0rnelius> Although his 5.15.y branch is broke and I haven't bothered to tell him yet.
<archetech> arm is what it is buy wisely
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> open hardware has nothing to do with fully fucntioning
<stipa> archetech: maybe when chips get cheaper :D
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> that's BS. you still need expensive resources to bring that up and maintain. we don't deal with closed source stuff anyway
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and still, things doesn't function. the problem is that nobody wants to cover expenses of R&D. free or non free, plays not role here
<stipa> IgorPec: it would be much easier to make a change in fpga array to fix stuff if it's a silicon bug and all "chip" internals would have been known to the coders above hardware
<archetech> odroid is the Honda of ARM
<stipa> IgorPec: fpga "runs" code which can be changed whenever you want
<stipa> the code is a structure of a chip inside of it
<stipa> whenever an fpga starts it loads that code
<stipa> and electronics inside take a form of a chip
<stipa> wifi chip for example
<stipa> by changing the code fpga loads it can be whatever chips there is
<stipa> in open hardware that code is open
<archetech> risc-v not viable yet
<stipa> yeah, ric5 with blob peripherals
<stipa> risc*
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<stipa> for like ultimate thing every chip that doesn't share instruction chip with the public should be in fpga form
<stipa> instruction set*
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> fpga is not used that way
<stipa> not yet
<stipa> something like fpga connected to the soc
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we use this in my day work for a project where 300 people work on
<miroesq> Flashed Armbian Buster for the Odroid XU4 on an SD card. When starting the os, I entered root/1234, but am now stuck on Waiting for system to finish booting.
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<stipa> IgorPec: right
<stipa> fpgas supported by linux like to the cell structure are expensive
<stipa> not very economical and wouldn't sell much since not many understand what it is
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> fpga is for industrial usage
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> not for something on 15 usd level
<stipa> if it would have been cheap people would buy it without knowing what it is but there is big possibility that open hardware wifi chip would work
<stipa> yeah, not cheap
<stipa> especially since fpgas alre also blobs
<stipa> both software and hardware
<stipa> like it's gates, what could go wrong
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you don't see the biggest part. hw is dirt cheap
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> wifi . how many people do you know that handles radio communications?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> that understand how things works?
<stipa> zero
<stipa> especially since it's private IP
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i know a few and i know that they have no interest to do anything in here just for fun
<archetech> narmstrong knows his chit aml kern dev
<stipa> miroesq: there's maybe some service or something that's blocking the boot at some point
<stipa> try to edit the /root/ armbianENV or something like that to verbosity=7
<stipa> that way maybe you'll have more info in the boot process about what's going on
<miroesq> thank you. will try it now
<stipa> or /boot/armbianENV
<miroesq> I will check that out as well
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> it doesn't stop just like that. its probably bad sd card
<miroesq> Armbian-Discord: I will try a different SD card, but I had this issue before where I installed Debian 11 on an SD card and got that error, then I flahed the same SD card with Debian 10 and it ran fine. maybe it's a bad sectpr or something
<miroesq> sorry, thiought that was for me lol
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> sd card
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we have a section on forum just for that since its common
<stipa> archetech: where's that guy narmstrong ?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> French
<stipa> hes' not on google
<stipa> he's on libera
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec>
<stipa> IgorPec: got it
<stipa> yeah, fpgas that are used now for open wifi are above 100$
<stipa> something like a $ would be more realistic for an SBC
<stipa> Note 2: After ~2 hours, the Viterbi decoder will halt (Xilinx Evaluation License). Just power cycle the board if it happens.
<stipa> lol, is that some kind of an hardware lock ?
<stipa> the shit never stops
<nekomancer[m]> stipa: shit as usual.
<stipa> nekomancer[m]: after all that hassle they're confronted by some shitty hardware lock
<stipa> with some*
<stipa> and a 130$ chip
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<nekomancer[m]> ironycal.
<stipa> the more you try to do something the more shit there is on the way
<stipa> at one point it turns into dealing with the shit
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<stipa> in either case openwifi is a great source of information
<stipa> porting that to something cheaper could be possible
<stipa> maybe it's possible with some gate hackery
<stipa> the easiest would be to just design open source fpga
<archetech> IgorPec: I never hear of you using an sbc why is that
<stipa> but i guess there's bunch of IP
<stipa> that's protected by laws
<stipa> archetech: you should see his testing rig
<archetech> I mean for fun
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> fun is making them work
<stipa> yeah, idk on what fun archetech is reffering to
<stipa> ?
<archetech> yes but what one do you prefer to use
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i use nanopi m4 for github runners
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but this is not exactly on the fun side. its more like a part of the infrastructure
<archetech> I mean like with a full DE to play a game or web browse
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> also i use one allwinner board for controlling PSU
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec>
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<stipa> i've been running 5Ghz wifi repeater on an orange pi lite2 whole day, seems like it works, i'll make a photo
<archetech> what is that cool hat nicod is wearing called
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you 'll need to ask him
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> armbian provides good drivers 😉
<stipa> well...
<stipa> it could be more up to date but
<stipa> it's not problem to hack that
<stipa> 88x2bu is outdated that comes with armbian
<stipa> ampak wifi chip on board on board works only as a client in 5Ghz mode, in ap mode it's unusable crap
<archetech> good video ty
<stipa> smae shit is in raspberry pis
<stipa> same*
<stipa> it's like repeating about 80Mbs
<stipa> not bad
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