<Evo221>
Today I tried out river for the first time. I've been running Sway for some time but really miss the dynamic tiling of awesome, so thought it worthwhile giving river a try. I built version 0.1.2 on a Debian 11 machine. It seems I may have missed a compile time option since I can only open pure wayland apps and not x11. Can anyone help me out? TIA.
<gabm[m]>
never built it myself but you need to enable xwayland for that..
<gabm[m]>
> To enable experimental Xwayland support pass the -Dxwayland option as well.
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<Evo221>
Thanks, I worked it out. I'm now building with: 'zig build -Dxwayland=true -Drelease-safe --prefix /usr/local/stow/river-0.1.2 install'
<Evo>
Got it working. Seems there are a fwe too many things not implemented yet for it to become my daily driver but I think I will be watching the development closely.
<Evo>
Hmmm so long since I used irc... forgot all the interesting "features".
<gabm[m]>
<Evo> "Got it working. Seems there..." <- what are you missing?
<Evo>
Features?
<gabm[m]>
which ones? 😉
<gabm[m]>
I mean: if we know what you are missing, we might be able to improve ...
<Evo>
Couldbn't work out how to move a window from one display to another.
<Evo>
Couldn't find a bar program that would show the tags.
<gabm[m]>
in the defauld config, that can be done with `Mod4 + Shift + period` and `Mod4 + Shift + comma`
<Evo>
waybar is suppose to but it wasn't working.
<gabm[m]>
I use waybar that has the `river/tags` plugin
<Evo>
Yeah, 'river/tags' would cause the current stable waybar to crash.
<gabm[m]>
aaah yeah
<gabm[m]>
I had to use waybar-git
<gabm[m]>
true that
<Evo>
I'd honestly like to get this working. I invested quite a bit of time packaging the required dependencies for Debian.
<gabm[m]>
for me on arch I just used waybar-git which is basically the master branch from their project
<gabm[m]>
but I understand that is "just another manual step"
<Evo>
Packaged zig from scratch...
<gabm[m]>
👀
<Evo>
I'm not yet able to package river since the Debian packageing tools know nothing about zig.
<leon-p>
Evo: yambar is also a bar with river support, if waybar does not work out
<Evo>
Then there are a whole bunch very new dependencies that needed to be backported to Debian stable.
<Evo>
@leon-p thanks, I'll check it out.
<Evo>
Lol, seems I packaged yambar back in November. I'll have to revisit it.
<Evo>
@gabm thanks found t if "focus-output next" and "focus-output previous".
<Evo>
What is "waybar-git"? Is it jargon for the head of the master branch?
<gabm[m]>
no .. on arch linux there is the AUR - Arch User Repository with community contributed packages (well their recipes).. there is a package called "waybar-git" that co-exists with the official "waybar" package. the waybar package points usually to the latest tagged release while waybar-git builds from the master branch..
<gabm[m]>
you can rebuild waybar-git through the package manager whenever you want to upgrade
<Evo>
Ok, Arch specific package. I guess I could make my own waybar package...
<gabm[m]>
given all your packaging effort for more recent software, maybe its a good idea to consider switching to something more up to day? like arch or nix or manjaro and alikes 😉
<Evo>
But I don't really like using non-tagged releases if I can help it.
<gabm[m]>
me neither... its only necessary for software that is still quite fluid.. In fact I used sway, wlroots and waybar from tagged releases until I switched to river...
<Evo>
I used to run bleeding edge distros but I just like how rock solid the underlying system is in Debian stable. If I need to just though some extra hoops to get new shiny stuff on top that's what I tend to do.
<gabm[m]>
fair enough 👍️
<Evo>
When did you switch from Sway to River?
<gabm[m]>
2 days ago oO
<Evo>
LOL!
<gabm[m]>
🙂
<gabm[m]>
I used sway for many years (and i3 before that) and given that they both use a very similar toolchain it was a matter of reconfiguring waybar and learning the shortcuts
<Evo>
The most recent waybar release, 0.9.8 is coming on 5 months old - I don't suppose you know why there hasn't been a release that would include the river/tags fix?
<gabm[m]>
no
<gabm[m]>
sorry
<gabm[m]>
you could ask
<Evo>
I used to use awesome but then I got a laptop with high DPI and needed something that did the scaling properly. Sway was the closest thing I could find. But I've just never been able to get used to the i3/sway way of doing things.
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<ifreund>
Yeah, that’s pretty much why I wrote river, got hooked on wayland thanks to sway but don’t like i3 style window management
<ifreund>
Evo: feel free to ping me with zig packaging questions for debian by the way, it’s my fault you need to do that extra work to use my software :D
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<Evo>
Packaging zig ended up being pretty straight forward actually. The only place I had issues (still have) is correctly attributing all the differently licensed and copyrighted code.
<gabm[m]>
ifreund: is there a way to debug what is happening when docking my laptop (lid closed) .. it seems river doesn't recognise my outputs and then kanshi doesn't adjust
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<leon-p>
gabm[m]: pretty sure kanshi writes messages either stdout/stderr. Logging that might give you a good first idea of what is going wrong.
<gabm[m]>
thing is: I think kanshi is doing things right... Actually when running river, on wakeup, only one of my 2 external monitors is listed
<ifreund>
gabm[m]: A WAYLAND_DEBUG=1 log of kanshi could determine whether river or kanshi is at fault (probably river since you said it works on sway iirc)
<ifreund>
river debug logs should also tell if river gets the new output event from wlroots I believe
<ifreund>
any chance you are running logind or something that puts your system to sleep on closing the lid?
<gabm[m]>
when it powers up it should find out about the two new monitors, then kanshi should do its job... but it only finds one of the two and hence then internal and one external display are active but kanshi doesnt trigger
<ifreund>
hmm, on a train right now so I’m not very useful for debugging currently. I suspect debug river logs of that sequence of events happening would be useful though
<gabm[m]>
I will have a look and create an issue to track this
<gabm[m]>
thanks for your time and have a good trip!
<Grawp>
leon-p gabm[m] : Regarding the kanshi detecting output change and correct profile but not switching outputs correctly on a first try: I've had this problem since I started using River 1-2 months ago and all this time I've been on wlroots 0.14.1
<ifreund>
Evo: you mean due to the fact that zig redistributes a bunch of source code for libcs and whatnot? Zig also distributes the relevant license files for all the source code it bundles
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<ifreund>
novakane: thanks for the reminder, see the commit I just pushed :)
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<novakane>
ah nice that do some cleanup
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<ifreund>
neat, CI passed
<ifreund>
is fd.o gitlab working again?
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<novakane>
sometimes yes sometimes no
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<novakane>
ifreund: hmm what's the best way to get the seat with a xwayland view?
<novakane>
ah I can just use the server
<novakane>
or maybe just view.focus to just check if there is a seat focusing it
<ifreund>
novakane: view.focus is the correct thing to check
<ifreund>
I'm not sure we even need that check though
<ifreund>
I'd rather leave it out than cargo cult sway code
<novakane>
hmm ok so what I just go with self.xwayland_surface.setMinimized(!focused and event.minimize);
<novakane>
without !focused
<novakane>
damn copy/pasting adding an enter
<ifreund>
just do what the client tells us, since apparently the client will do it anyways cause it's X11
<novakane>
ah yeah the fix is in request_activate anyway
<novakane>
setActivated() I mean
<novakane>
should be better now, don't have anythig to test though
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<Nulo>
leon-p, uwu
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<Evo>
ifreund yes. The problem is that Debian packages need to summarise all that information into a single file /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/copyright. This means that the packager needs to trawl through all the source code and to correctly show the copyright and license for each file (or files under a given directory).