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<linkdd>
https://wiki.osdev.org/C%2B%2B#The_Operators_.27new.27_and_.27delete.27 <-- the fact that there is no mention of the requirement for new/new[] to return a non-null pointer or raise an std::bad_alloc is disturbing. there is std::nothrow_t (the type) and std::nothrow (the value) which can then be used as: `new (std::nothrow) T` to explicitly return a null pointer instead of raising an exception. The example
<bslsk05>
wiki.osdev.org: C++ - OSDev Wiki
<linkdd>
given on this wiki page is not conforming to the C++ standard, shall I propose a change or is there a reason i'm missing?
<Mutabah>
The reason is likely just an oversight :)
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<linkdd>
alright then, i'm gonna propose a change this weekend
<linkdd>
with a code sample that do not require exceptions
<\Test_User>
fixing that to throw exceptions would collide with the section a few down about "disable exceptions"
<Mutabah>
I think that's the idea
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<SGautam>
So now I can print strings using freetype to the graphics output. But a problem I have is monospacing the fonts. The way I'm doing right now is extracting the glyphs of characters from \0 to \xff, and then copying the bitmap to a 16x16 array (as the font size is 16x16 but ofc FreeType doesn't return a fixed 16x16, so I'm basically shifting the returned glyph to center and ensuring the bottom of the glyph is at the bottom of the
<SGautam>
bitmap) and then sending those bitmaps to the graphics buffer.
<SGautam>
If I increment the x-coordinate by mono_width / 2 (In this case monowidth is 16 as I showed before) the result is better, although there are still imperfections with letters like 'q', 'g', 'y'. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/0snNcZVb/image.png
<SGautam>
I'm not sure if my way is the correct way to render monospaced fonts, but I need all characters to be the same size as this will be used to render a terminal buffer eventually.
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<klange>
SGautam: when you bake a bitmap for a glyph, freetype will give you an offset pair to use when rendering it. You definitely shouldn't put the bottom of every glyph at the bottom of your final bitmap, that's not how baselines work
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<bslsk05>
www.warp.dev: Adventures in Text Rendering: Kerning and Glyph Atlases | Warp
<SGautam>
Right now I'm taking in an argument called font_size and setting the height and width to font_size and advance_x by half the size, which seems to work.
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<osdev-guest>
I would like to start a small kernel research project and was wondering if I should use a virt platform. In that case, would it be easier to use aarch64-virt or riscv64-virt? The project is not intended to use the quirks of some platform, but to build a sort of arch agnostic kernel that I can then easily port.
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<gog>
idk i'm a scrub and i only amd64 :D'
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<osdev-guest>
I'm a bit tired of amd64, and feel that a virt platform (like aarch64-virt and riscv64-virt) would provide a cleaner base. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's why I'm asking :^)
<Mutabah>
rv64 is probably the simpler of the two, just because it's newer and greenfield
<osdev-guest>
Interesting, what advantages would you have over choosing the aarch64 target?
<osdev-guest>
Simplicity is certainly something I would like.
<Mutabah>
slightly simpler
<osdev-guest>
What about documentation and existing projects?
<osdev-guest>
I have heard of xv6-riscv, which might be interesting to check out.
<osdev-guest>
And it looks nice.
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<osdev-guest>
Oh, also, what about things like setting up interrupts and such. Is it any simpler? I would like to keep the arch-related code as small and simple as possible.
<bslsk05>
groups.google.com: Message from the family of Bram Moolenaar
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<sham1>
:(
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<mcrod>
hi
<mcrod>
oh man..
<mcrod>
not the news I wanted to wake up to
<Ermine>
RIP
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<zid>
I cut up a single chilli, washed my hands with water, soap, oil, anything
<zid>
went to smoke and now my lips tingle :D
<mcrod>
i beat gravelord nito
<zid>
gj
<zid>
was it a piece of piss once you figured out how?
<mcrod>
yes
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<zid>
who's next on the agenda?
<mcrod>
valley of drakes
<zid>
there isn't a gold door there, but it's got a cool ring!
<mcrod>
uh...
<mcrod>
how do I open the door after killing all of the dragons
<zid>
you don't
<mcrod>
great, so I killed them all for nothing
<mcrod>
wtf is the point of this place
<zid>
it connects various areas together
<zid>
and has some cool items
<mcrod>
oh
<mcrod>
yes I did end back up at darkroot basin
<zid>
go fight doggo
<mcrod>
who
<zid>
darkroot has a weird door
<zid>
if you go straight from parish
<zid>
or right from the below area, once you're back on the top route
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<mcrod>
oh
<mcrod>
yes
<mcrod>
i know
<mcrod>
near the bonfire
<zid>
The end of said door area is an dog
<zid>
which you should ruthlessly kill, you murderer
<mcrod>
ok, "locked by some contraption"
<zid>
need the spoiler of spoiler
<zid>
from spoiler
<mcrod>
ok I need the crest of artorias
<mcrod>
or I could just kill andre but that's stupid
<zid>
I mean you get it from him either way
<mcrod>
i know
<zid>
you either buy or kill, not get it or kill andre
<mcrod>
but I don't want to kill him
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<mcrod>
so i need to buy
<mcrod>
for 20k souls
<zid>
at your point in the game it isn't the end of the world, but yea, I'd keep him alive
<zid>
there's actually a back entrance into darkroot but it's a MEGA slog
<zid>
and requires you to fight the worst trash npcs in the game
<mcrod>
i wonder why ds:r is crashing so often now
<zid>
if you haven't killed butterfly you could go do that
<mcrod>
i did
<zid>
cus your graphics card isn't a glorious nvidia
<mcrod>
it is.
<zid>
on windows (r)(tm)
<mcrod>
it's a 3090ti
<zid>
I've never had either version of ds crash ever
<zid>
even on my crashy gpu
<zid>
cus it didn't put it under enough load
<mcrod>
yay
<mcrod>
perfect timing
<mcrod>
armor at risk
<mcrod>
fuck me
<zid>
I forgot that was even a thing
<mcrod>
ok those NPCs are actually annoying
<zid>
hehe
<zid>
there's a very very easy cheese if they piss you off too much, casual
<zid>
or just run right past em :P
<mcrod>
there we go
<mcrod>
why is there a mushroom
<zid>
why would there not be a mushroom
<zid>
they give good hugs
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<mcrod>
they... hurt
<mcrod>
a lot
<zid>
good hugs.
<gog>
hi
* gog
hug
* mcrod
hug gog
<zid>
best part about beating dark souls is that you can finally watch ymfah's giantdad video
<gog>
so something i hate about makefiles
<gog>
when you reference a variable by $(whatever) and it's not defined
<gog>
it just silently fails
<gog>
and inserts a blank
<gog>
i guess that's fine in most circumstances
<gog>
but i misspelled one by omitting a single letter and it took me way too long to spot it
<gog>
i guess that's what happens when you smash a macro processor with a dependency engine
<gog>
you get a flaky DSL that has novel failure modes
<zid>
sripting languages gunna scripting
<mcrod>
aw
<zid>
non-compiled languages are bad
<mcrod>
i don't wanna kill this thing
<zid>
YOU MURDERER
<mcrod>
easy though
<mcrod>
ok so
<mcrod>
who should I face next
<SGautam>
I've been thinking of implementing UTF-8 but the way I do it right now for performance purposes makes me think of the amount of memory I'm going to consume
<SGautam>
Basically right now on initialisation I cache all the glyphs into an OpenGL texture, since there's only 256 of them, that seems fine
<SGautam>
But imagine caching something like 65,000+ glyphs
<zid>
adding each glyph as you see it to the glyph cache is honestly fine
<SGautam>
Ah
<zid>
if it *becomes* a problem, add a LRU to it
<SGautam>
I'm guessing it would be wise to cache ASCII 256 as is, and then for other characters, implement an LRU cache
<mcrod>
why is crestfallen knight hollow
<zid>
racist
<zid>
both of you
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<mcrod>
oh i found the key of the seal by pure accident
<zid>
ingbro
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<mcrod>
holy shit
<mcrod>
this shit leads back to the valley of drakes too
<zid>
Everywhere does
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<zid>
even blight town is connected to valley
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<gorzon>
i make a decision, i will not support fork. i hate hate hate it
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<gorzon>
"you would create a new process? then i will recurse through your page tables to mark everything copy on write and send IPIs to all the cores your other threads run on to flush TLBs. all so that in exactly 25 milliseconds new process can replace entire address space to make the work pointless"
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<Mutabah>
Yep, fork is bad
<Mutabah>
My method is a syscall that clones a small portion of the address space, and then the parent passes the rest of the state etc via message passing
<mjg>
:)
<mjg>
no criticizing unix!
<gog>
i can reimplement unix well
<gog>
but if i do it poorly it's not like anybody will notice
* gog
dabs
<mjg>
i'm lookin at userspace rust tooling
<mjg>
would you be surprised if it was mostly insane?
<mjg>
i mean tools written in rust for supposed replacement of the unix stuff
<gog>
i know literally nothing about rust except that i read some code and the syntax was really verbose and that made me cringe a bit
<gog>
i don't really use editors with LSP or autocomplete on my own projects
<mjg>
rust is webdeveloper's idea of a systems language
<gog>
maybe it's smart that i learned systems development before web development heh
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<mjg>
guy spawns 6 threads for find-replacement
<mjg>
1 comes from "ctrlc" crate to handle ^C
<mjg>
1 is spawned in order to spawn maxcpu threads (got 4 on my laptop)
<mjg>
making 6 in total
<mjg>
i don't see anything resembling a limit and i'm scared to run this sihte on something bigger
<gog>
why does it need 6 threads when it's gona be all io bound
<mjg>
checked on an 8-core vm, got 8
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<mjg>
the host is a 104-way sapphire rapid
<mjg>
runinng the socker over there...
<mjg>
and only 105 clone3 calls
<mjg>
i'm impressed
<mjg>
did i mention all this shite is written by webdevs who thing all hw out there is sized like their laptop
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<zid>
I'd just make an exec that replaces an empty process instead
<mjg>
s/thing/think
<zid>
execvpercr
<zid>
zx89
<mjg>
btw
<mjg>
% time seconds usecs/call calls errors syscall
* Ermine
tries hard to avoid engaging into phoronix forums shitstorms
<gog>
jesus
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<zid>
JOISUS
<zid>
CHROIST
<gorzon>
mutabah: yes I decided not to fork and in favour I plan to make operations for operating on e.g. the file handle table to take a process handle on which to operate
<gorzon>
i think i can implement a pseudo-fork using this with some trickery
<mcrod>
zid: should I eventually kill gwynevere
<mcrod>
seems like it's something you should not do, insofar as anor londo going dark
<gorzon>
mutabah: i think i remember you name from the osdev.org forum
<gorzon>
inventor of asess os
<mjg>
Mutabah is a casual user
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<Mutabah>
gorzon: yep
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<zid>
I think it is time for more John Darksoul
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<heat>
john gravelord
<zid>
Time to fuckin die to O&S
<heat>
classic
<heat>
if you still have the bkh it's not that bad
<zid>
It's +0 and I am naked with no rings though
<mjg>
did any of you nabs ever raid in world of warcraft
<zid>
so still vaguely hard
<heat>
meh, that works
<heat>
charge ornstein to shit
<heat>
you'll melt him
<zid>
He melted me, unfortunately
<zid>
oneshot me with a random spear tag
<zid>
I don't have the stamina or damage to stagger him
<zid>
2nd attempt I died to that thing where he gets stuck behind smough, then flies at you at 800mph
<gorzon>
mjg: i like unix
<gorzon>
but i like not some things about it
<gog>
hi
<heat>
hi hi hi hi hi hihi hi gog
<gog>
hihihihi
<mcrod>
gog may I pet you
<heat>
how are you
<gog>
yes
* mcrod
pets gog
<gog>
i'm ok
* gog
prr
<heat>
im still annoyed that the FUCKING POPE HASNT FUCKING DASHED YET
<gog>
you mean
<gog>
the bishop of rome
<heat>
yes, the bishop of rome aka the pope
<heat>
those two titles tend to alias each other
<heat>
have aliased each other for 1500 years
<gog>
oh he's in lisbon today
<zid>
smh not even an archbishop
<heat>
he and the CATHOLICS have been in lisbon for almost a week now
<heat>
it's impossible to be outside and do things because they're fucking everywhere
<zid>
have you considered
<zid>
protestant reformation
<heat>
only if the pope doesn't divorce me and my wife
<gog>
as somebody who grew up in the lutheran church
<mcrod>
you have a wife?
<gog>
that's not much better
<heat>
i'll roll my own church, with blackjack and hookers
<mcrod>
hey i grew up with in the lutheran church too
<mcrod>
what a nightmare
<zid>
That's what I said
<gog>
aaayyy
<zid>
protestant reformation
<heat>
mcrod: learn history pal
<gog>
no that's hwo the anglican church started
<gog>
they're also another catholic lite faction distinct from lutherans
<mcrod>
martin luther was a funny guy
<mcrod>
allegedly most of his works he wrote on the toilet due to intractable digestive issues
<gog>
he had some not funny attributes
<zid>
anglican is catholic zero not catholic lite
<gog>
antisemitism in particular
<heat>
bruh
<zid>
1500s german
<heat>
in 1500?
<gog>
i mean yeah
<zid>
it'd be amazing if he wasn't
<gog>
but he was a little more than average for the time i think
<zid>
well he WAS a religious nut
<gog>
yes
<gog>
that does come with the territory
<zid>
who said catholocism was not the CORRECT form of religion
<zid>
not that it was bad
<heat>
pope is a bitch - martin luther
<zid>
"jesus is a bro tho"
<zid>
catholciscicism is weird to me, like, why is the pope a thing
<zid>
there's no biblepope
<heat>
it's like a big bishop
<mcrod>
this just in: the pope is a turtle
<heat>
the bishopest of bishops
<mcrod>
like the turtle pope
<mcrod>
in elden ring
<gog>
they started talking about transsubstantion and i misunderstood
<gog>
now i'm a woman
<zid>
like yea sure, maybe a religion needs a corporate structure
<zid>
but why is the CEO of jesus also an important religion man
<zid>
and not a man in a suit
<heat>
tradition dawg
<zid>
Yes, I am asking why
<heat>
gog: have you considered moving to transnistria?
<zid>
did they just lie that he's important to jesus?
<zid>
"I fucking love popes, respect them pls" --Jesus, 20AD
<gog>
no i'm moving to transylvania
<gog>
i like the forest better than rivers
<zid>
ewww romania
<heat>
zid: supposedly all popes "descend" from peter, who jesus did love
<zid>
oh is that it? til
<zid>
even though
<zid>
none of the popes are related
<heat>
yeah peter was the first pope
<zid>
are they sucking their souls out of each ohter in some kind if ritual
<zid>
their soul turns into black smoke and the new pope is sat there huffing it
<mjg>
if (copy_from_user(code_buffer, code, sizeof(code_buffer))) {
<mjg>
code_len = strlen(code_buffer);
<mjg>
return code_len;
<mjg>
}
<mjg>
apart from being useless it happens to be wrong as the buf does not have to be nul terminated:s
<zid>
No books came out today
<zid>
:(
<heat>
zid: erm i believe that they think that if you get voted by all the cardinals and shit it was kind of an act of god so you're good and very holy
<heat>
but i really am the wrong person to ask this to
<zid>
You're from portugal, that makes you a de facto expert, as an act of god
<heat>
mjg: yo can you help me out with an RCU question here? or are u not familiar?
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<heat>
i'm wondering how 1) rcu_assign_pointer can get away with smp_store_release/WRITE_ONCE 2) list_del_rcu can get away with a WRITE_ONCE. is there a hidden smp_rmb on quiescent states or something, that I'm not seeing?
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<heat>
if not, i can imagine you doing something like rcu_assign_pointer + kfree_rcu and the store not showing up to the other CPUs in time, while the pointer has been freed by a quiescent state
<heat>
and the WRITE_ONCE shit I don't even understand how that's supposed to happen
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<mjg>
heat: going on and off cpu is expected to provide a full fence
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<heat>
is that standard for a schedule() function or just when RCU is in the picture?
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<heat>
oh yeah I guess you must do an mfence for every schedule?
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<heat>
so shit like "static int a = 0; a = 10;" doesn't disappear after getting scheduled to a different CPU
<SGautam>
No more bitmap fonts, we're going full TTF baby.
<nortti>
using freetype?
<SGautam>
Yeah
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<zid>
is your shader just doing postprocessing?
<zid>
I've never actually done postprocessing before, I just go MMM GEOMETRY, YUMMY
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<zid>
heat give up on CK3, your children are too ugly and deformed, kill O&S for me
<zid>
I don't wanna have to backtrack pre-lordvessel to find havel's ring or something that'd help, and I'm also too lazy to just kill them
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<gog>
hi barbie
<heat>
zid: i just won a crusade for andalusia
<heat>
catholic poggers moment
<zid>
your children are too ugly and deformed, though
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<zid>
tbh it's probably related
<zid>
and so are your children, more times than normal
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hears "debaser" play in the background
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<geist>
SGautam: so did you write that terminal? I think i missed the picture
<geist>
looks a bit like cool retro term
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<heat>
zid: I need to play imperator one of these days
<heat>
i have the game but played like 30 minutes of that shit and uninstalled it
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<heat>
geist: btw can you point me to your context switching code (zircon)?
<heat>
i wanna see where you mfence, if you do
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<mjg>
normally the fence comes from general locking
<mjg>
e.g. for the scheduler
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<heat>
right, I understand lock + unlock has the same effect
<heat>
but it does sound... very accidental
<heat>
and if one really does rely on this for the fence I'd hope for a nice big comment on how you cannot go lockless without subtly fucking over people
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<gog>
hi barbie
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* heat50
checks the random number
<heat50>
whew
<heat50>
not today!
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<mcrod>
hi
<__heat>
hi mcrod
<gog>
hi mcrod
<gog>
hi double underscore heat
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<heat>
hi gog without no double underscore
<mcrod>
hi gog
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<mcrod>
hi heat
<heat>
when are you writing an OS mcrod
<gog>
he's like everybody else here
<gog>
he's not
<heat>
shut up you're writing an OS too
<moon-child>
at least two people here are writing oses
<moon-child>
possibly as many as three
<mcrod>
heat: eventually
<mcrod>
as I said, it is named anubis in my head at least
<mcrod>
and it will be a vanilla unix clone because as much as I hate it I want to understand it more
<gog>
i'm not writing an OS so much as i am doing weird experiments implementing POSIX syscalls in UEFI
<sham1>
Of course, the hardest two things in computer science are cache invalidation, naming things and off-by-one errors
<sham1>
So anubis seems like an interesting name
<gog>
dog god
<gog>
dog god
<moon-child>
dog god
* moon-child
pets god
<sham1>
It's actually a jackal
* gog
prr
<gog>
a jackal is a dog
<heat>
mcrod fork hsd
<mcrod>
no
<heat>
ok
<gog>
mew
<zid>
heat: derusted RL slightly :o
<zid>
diamond1 -> diamond2, I started touching the ball!