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<zid> recently because of bastard tab hoarders, they even stop javascript working in non-frontal tabs
<zid> so my idle games have to be in their own windows
<zid> AND not minimized
<zid> sm
<zid> I'm actually really heavy on tabs rn because I refuse to close this random youtube video that I could totally just reopen immediately at the exact spot it's paused at
<zid> three times
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<nortti> < heat> do browsers even do manual "swapping" of tabs to disk or are you relying on kernel swapping and not getting OOM'd in the meanwhile? ← they don't do swapping per se, it's more like what you get on your phones where background tasks are killed
<nortti> more recently you're able to manually invoke that too, which is useful when you have 6 gigs of ram and no swap
<zid> chrome asks you if you start it with less than 128GB of ram if you want to enable aggressive 'tab saving'
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<geist> yah i think that basically just tweaks the algorithm to ditch tabs more aggressively
<moon-child> firefox and chrome both constantly eat cpu while idling
<moon-child> I don't care about the ram, but I wish they'd just keep the js in those unfocused tabs from running
<zid> they do unless web workers
<moon-child> well maybe they should the web workers too
<zid> or more likely it's just keep-alive http reqs
<zid> cus websites aren't websites anymore they're interactive applications
<zid> that need to push the realtime clock on the page updating by sending you 8kB of json every 100ms
<moon-child> i don't really care what they're doing; there's nothing that i want them to be doing on my cpu while not focused, and it irks me that my 'user agent' doesn't give me a straightforward way to make that happen
<sakasama> Disable all javascript. Success.
<zid> I used to spend a lot of time massaging noscript into convincing websites to run with their min set of external scripts loaded
<zid> but I eventually gave up
<zid> too much was too broken and too unfixable
<sakasama> I've found there's only a few sites I want scripts on, and the rest either work fine without it or can be fixed well enough by simply closing the tab.
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<zid> I have more cpus than tabs
<zid> so I don't give a fuck what they do tbh
<zid> I just don't like running 40MB of unknown js a few hundred times a day
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* kof123 "mackenzie's coded character sets" Originally published : 1980
<kof123> sounds interesting, but i was a disappointed dev, i thought someone was doing this in modern land :/
* kof123 mutters code is data and data is code
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<nikolar> zid: well i do care what they are doing in the background because they can significantly reduce my laptop's battery life
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<gog> hi
* kazinsal pats gog
* gog prr
* kazinsal nyan
<gog> nyan
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<osmten> where are the entries for devices created on auxiliary bus are created. like for pci it is in /sys/bus/pci/devices
<zid> /sys/bus/
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<Ermine> gog: hi, may I pet you
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<gog> hi Ermine you may pet me
* Ermine pets gog
* gog prr
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<heat> linux
<Ermine> Onyz
<Ermine> Onyx
<heat> typo lmao ignored blocked shamed cancelled smh
* Ermine begs for mercy
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<heat> does anyone know what nd@arm.com is and why it's CC'd on so many arm patches
<heat> both linux and non-
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<Griwes> it's an email address, hth
<heat> thank you Griwes, very cool!
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<Ermine> did that address ever respond?
<heat> no
<heat> my best guess is that it's an internal "patches to OSS" address or something
<JTL> If I were to guess it's an alias that internally forwards to *many* people, and if employees had a reason to respond they'd use emails under *their* names
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<kazinsal> yeah it's likely some internal-facing distribution list
<heat> mjg, moon-child: just me or is this stalling like shit on that first load? https://i.imgur.com/YoFFrCi.png
<heat> i got this using perf + intel pt
<heat> according to my measurements aligning dest before the rep movsb seems to actually pessimize it
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