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<sakasama>
Impressive. For most people the gross is negative.
* sakasama
chops down programmers randomly.
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<zid>
I am highly gross.
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<immibis>
bnchs: you don't EARN money either. You get paid money. The amount of money you get paid has VERY LITTLE to do with how much you actually deserve - perhaps even a negative correlation.
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<sakasama>
You can also steal money, or equivalently, invest.
<sakasama>
Mining cryptocurrencies fits in there somewhere, but is rather ecologically unfriendly compared to old fashion fraud and market manipulation.
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<immibis>
proof of stake has a much more understandable model there
<immibis>
in terms of economics. staking crypto is not dissimilar from betting on the continued solvency of a bank by keeping your money in an interest-bearing account
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<clever>
while proof of work just incentivizes wasting electricity
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<clever>
if you put in more work, you get short term gains, but if everybody puts in more work, the difficulty goes up, and then everybody makes the same as before
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<clever>
so now your blowing more energy to get the same result as before
<clever>
and the only cap on things, is electricity costs vs selling what you mined
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<heat>
mjg, is kgmon the old crap you were talking about?
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<geist>
oh man i broke one of my fingernails last night and that hurs like a mofo
<sham1>
Rectangles are the bane of my existence right now
<Ermine>
gog: may I pet you
<gog>
yes
* Ermine
pets gog
<gog>
geist: oof owie'
* gog
prr
* kof123
hands sham1 copy of ecstatica ("Voxel" graphics IIRC)
<geist>
eyah torn my little pinkie nail about halfway down the nail bed, across
<geist>
but not enough to completely break off the nail. so it'll be like this for months probably until it can completely grow back
<kof123>
*ellipsoid "Somebody should really remake the wacky ellipsoid voxel engine"
<heat>
i hate grub i hate grub i hate grub
<heat>
it's like they piss me off on purpose
<gog>
grub is made from everything
<Ermine>
Who doesn't hate grub
<gog>
sing to the tune of "i like dirt" by RHCP'
<gog>
i hate grub
<Ermine>
i hate grub
<heat>
i hope yall realize most distro GRUBs are patched to shit, because upstream GRUB is even more super borky
<gog>
yes
<Ermine>
yes
<GeDaMo>
For a second I thought you were talking about food :P
<gog>
i prefer systemd-boot but i cba to install it and make it work right
<heat>
my problem 2day: efi handover protocol for mb2
<gog>
write your own efi
<heat>
my own efi??
<gog>
do weird things with it like me
<heat>
nooOOOOOOoooooOOOOooooo
<gog>
yers
<Ermine>
Gotta read that standard
<gog>
i'm writing efi right now and loving it
<heat>
the gang rewrites tianocore
<gog>
yes
<Ermine>
Still on section 2...
<heat>
GogServicesLib
<heat>
GogServicesDxeSmm
<geist>
hmm not my favorite RHCP album, but it did have Fruciante in it
<geist>
he's great
<Ermine>
Finally, with EFI_GOG_PROTOCOL support
<heat>
and then the PEI variant, GogServicesPeim
<heat>
everybody shits on protocols but no one seems to enjoy good ol PPIs
<Ermine>
PEI = ?
<geist>
prince edward island?
<heat>
pre-efi environment
<heat>
it's covered by That Whole Other Efi Spec
<heat>
i do like PEI a lot, I find DXE/UEFI way too bloated
<Ermine>
prince edward island was before efi, so PEI is PEI
<Ermine>
heat: do you mean UEFI Platform Initialization Specification?
<heat>
yes
<gog>
EFI_GOG_PROTOCOL.Meow()
<zid>
I had a realization about libgcc
<zid>
libgcc contains code, code that you compile when you build gcc, that code goes into an .a which you splat into your project
<zid>
so your CFLAGS for building gcc change the binaries that your gcc produces
<heat>
basically your whole PEI is composed of PEI modules (PEIM), and they communicate using PPIs (PEIM-to-PEIM interface)
<heat>
which are protocols but way simpler and more direct
<zid>
unless their makefile deliberately ignores CFLAGS for libgcc and hard-builds it with -O2 -march=generic or whatever
<heat>
you find the PPI and fuckin call it
<Ermine>
Holy shit, another 1146 pages. Is it useful for bootloader writers?
<heat>
no
<Ermine>
nice
<heat>
it's for firmware people, everyone before UEFI proper
<zid>
bootloader writers, also known as the osdev discord
<gog>
i'm a bootloader writer
<heat>
so SEC, PEI, DXE, BDS(?)
<Ermine>
FreeBDS when
<gog>
OpenBDS will be secure by default
<heat>
like, actual EFI incorporates both specs, but bootlegged EFI just implements the actual spec
<heat>
zid, it ignores CFLAGS
<heat>
there's another var you can try and poke to influence it
<zid>
TARGET_FOR or whatever?
<heat>
hmm no I don't think it's that simple, IIRC it's something internal
<heat>
not just CFLAGS_FOR_TARGET
<heat>
which is why forcing libgcc to -mcmodel=<whatever> is a PITA
* Ermine
wonders why llvm doesn't use compiler-rt by default
<heat>
compiler-rt does not implement all of libgcc
<heat>
that's a slightly separate project: see the efforts behind making glibc build with clang
<Ermine>
Given that this is GNU I'm not surprised it isn't trivial
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<zid>
heat: it was for_target
<zid>
make all-target-libgcc CFLAGS_FOR_TARGET='-g -O2 -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone'
<zid>
from osdev wookie
<heat>
ah ok cool my bad then
<zid>
It recommends hand editing the makefile to mess with the PIC settings though :P
<heat>
i remember having to dig into libgcc makefiles to figure that out, maybe i was doing things wrong
<bslsk05>
github.com: toolchains/gcc-patch-000 at master · travisg/toolchains · GitHub
<heat>
no-red-zone isn't enough, you need mcmodel=large or mcmodel=kernel
<geist>
oh?
<geist>
i didn't real the full scrollback, is this for EFI stuff?
<heat>
what is?
<geist>
this building of libgcc w/no-red-zone talk
<heat>
no idea, that's zid, not me
<heat>
given it's zid, probably not efi
<heat>
:p
<heat>
... but I'm faaaaaaiirly sure I've ran into mcmodel issues with that approach
<geist>
ah. FWIW i haven't but then i dont think my code ends up needing much libgcc anyway
<heat>
i just have a version of compiler-rt with my kernel now
<geist>
for zircon we just dont link with it in the kernel, which we can generally get away with because 64bit and not doing fancy bits
<heat>
it's much superior to trying to convince llvm or gcc to compile it the way I want it
<geist>
reminds me i need to finish getting the toolchains script up to date with 13.1
<heat>
anyway how eww is my assembly snippet?
<heat>
i think it's fairly clean? I don't know if a compiler would gen this though
<geist>
seems legit to me
<geist>
i mean, honestly any assembly that works is pretty good
<geist>
unless you're tyring to microoptimize it, but this does not need microoptimization
<geist>
wont work on pentiums, of course because cmove
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<heat>
yes, i just want something clean-ish that won't pain me to look at
<geist>
but i dont remember the syntx of cmove. where is the third arg? is it implicitly rax or something?
<heat>
there's no third arg
<geist>
oh if condition is met replace A with B?
<heat>
cmov - eq condition (Z flag) - mov 8(%rdi) to %rsi if Z
<geist>
oh the 'e' is the 'equals to zero' part
<geist>
forgot abou that. i'm used to something like 'eq' or 'ez' from arm and riscv respectively
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<heat>
cmpeq also works if you're working with 64-bit lol
<geist>
mean anything else or just an alias for it?
<heat>
q = qword
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<heat>
cmpe with 64-bit arguments is implicitly cmpeq, cmpe with 32-bit is cmpel
<heat>
erm, sorry
<heat>
brainfart?
<heat>
s/cmp/cmov/ in these last few messages
<heat>
so cmoveq also works. that's what I meant
<geist>
ah eq makes more sense
<zid>
Yea my solution is just 'amd64'
<geist>
my x86 asm foo is not that strong. i can read it pretty well, but when i write it i tend to use the same 20 instructions and write it risc-like
<gog>
haha weird code go brrr
<geist>
which nowadays is probably what you're supposed to do anyway
<zid>
I was moaning about this in the gcc channel and they were like "why the fuck would you want gimple libgcc?" I explained and they were like "oh, right"
<zid>
That's just how programs work now geist, more than anything
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<zid>
once you've got add/sub/mul/inc/jmp/call sorted, there isn't a lot left your program *needs* to do
<zid>
you're not hand-writing BCD code
<zid>
using special bcd instructions
<heat>
geist, isn't the tendency for risc to be more cisc-like?
<zid>
yea, and that too
<geist>
it's like there's some sort of ideal middle ground that everything moves towards
<geist>
but it's generally easier to add than take away
<zid>
(just a general convergence on 'things that are easy and fast')
<geist>
ie, x86 still has all the trashy shit, but at least arm and riscv can add till they achieve some sort of ideal state
<heat>
x86 is still super CISC IMO. like all the SIMD instruction stuff they keep adding
<zid>
as you're probably sick of hearing me say: risc doesn't make sense as a design once you have cache
<geist>
i can see, for example, riscv adding a lot of the zbx instructions because the lack of bit twiddling instructions is kinda a pain
<gog>
still cisc tho
<geist>
and i see the difference in codegen (been piddling wit it at work)
* gog
fingerguns
<heat>
"take these 2 two AVX-512 registers and shuffle them according to this mask im giving you kthxbye" is exactly the kind of shit they keep adding
<heat>
they = x86, not riscv (not yet anyway)
<geist>
yeah, though honestly to be fair i tend to consider vector and those sort of things to be basically a specialized subset of the whole thing and not really the general ISA
<geist>
in those case evyerhting seems to be converging on more and more specialized things for specialzied situations
<bslsk05>
www.felixcloutier.com: GF2P8AFFINEQB — Galois Field Affine Transformation
<zid>
yea turns out hardware accel makes things faster
<geist>
but kinda makes sense there because the vector bits are big ass piles of ALUs so the speicalized instructions to maximize their use are more okay
<heat>
or aes or crc32 extensions, etc
<zid>
risc is a compromise we don't need anymore
<geist>
it's more like it's a design pattern you start from and then follow to where you want to go
<geist>
and i think it's generally easier to start with simpler to decode instructions, load/store arch, and then add your exceptions
<geist>
than the other way around
<geist>
for example it's pretty trivial for apple to decode 8 instructions simultaneously on M1 silicon because it's all nicely 32bit aligned
<geist>
same with bigass POWERs
<geist>
no x86 has gotten to that point yet. 5 or 6 on the most recent ones i think
<zid>
(m1 actually decodes x86 faster than real x86 cpus do though)
<zid>
so they clearly are just good at it
<geist>
riscv is going to be interesting when the big cores come along. are they going to allow 16 bit compressed or go 32bit only?
<geist>
m1 does not decode x86 at all
<zid>
m1 was specifically the rosetta cpu was it not
<heat>
hm?
<geist>
no. there's a software transcoder
<zid>
wow how did I miss that
<heat>
yeah m1 only has a couple of extensions to make it easier to transcode
<geist>
the hacks that M1 has for x86 is a) it has a strongly ordered mode you can toggle between
<geist>
b) it has a few extension instructions that compute x86 style flags
<geist>
and c) has enough registers to easily hold the entire x86 state
<geist>
and d) is fast as fuuuuck
<heat>
fast as fuuuuuuuuuck
<geist>
have seen some writeups on the rosetta thing and it's relatively simple. mostly a straight transcode
<zid>
I wonder how well an orthogonal cisc would do
<GeDaMo>
I think Rosetta translates the whole program ahead of time
<geist>
yah i read that basically it decodes a parallel text segment next to the x86 part that reaches into the same rodata/data segment, etc
<geist>
so it ends up loading alongside the binary
<geist>
also to help arm64 is basically the same from a little endian, alignment of stuff, ABI point of view
<geist>
which is almost certainly not by accident. every other major new(ish) arch basically needs to be 100% x86 compatible from the basics point of view. riscv is no exception
<heat>
also big endian sucks?
<zid>
also big endian sucks
<geist>
i'm sitll constantly surprised at how fast M1s are. was running one of those cinebench benchmarks the other day
<heat>
and windows does not support big endian anyway I think
<geist>
and my M1 3.2Ghz mac mini (first gen) is like 90% as fast as my 5950x at 4.5Ghz core
<heat>
yeah
<geist>
which lines up precisely with what i had seen in the past. out the gate the first gen M1s were very competitive with top of the line x86s at a much slower clock rate
<heat>
also heats up way less
<geist>
very wide and with lower clock rate and crazy memory bandwidth == less power
<geist>
yah
<heat>
versus the fucking intel mbp that try and make you sterile
<geist>
and that very wide probably has sme help from the arm64 arch: you can decode 8 instructions in parallel, lots of regs, etc
<heat>
seriously, how is "warm up to 97C, then turn on the fans, when its at 88C turn them off, repeat" a cooling strategyyyyyyyy
<geist>
yeah the newer zen 4s also do precisely that. slam right into their thermal limit and back off instantly. and that's just by design now
<heat>
oh gosh
<geist>
so now you really do actually get better performance if you have bigger beefier heat sinks or cooling
<heat>
but I think these are just firmware/platform policies though?
<Ermine>
One problem with m1: expensive af
<heat>
apple moment
<geist>
also one limitation all of the M1/M2 cores have is they still have the plain 128 bit NEON/ASIMD vector stuff
<Ermine>
yeah
<geist>
so they will still get trounced on use cases where you compare with some avx512 thing
<geist>
apple hasn't yet started implementing SVE. I'm curious when/if they will
<heat>
you'll get this macbook with a lower-powered CPU and a tiny screen and a whole 256GB! of disk space for 2K and you'll enjoy it!
<Ermine>
2k what
<heat>
2000 europes
<geist>
i mean i'm typing on my mbp14 right now and its a fantastic experience. but then i always get highish end macbooks and then hold onto them for like 6-8 years
<geist>
my 2014 was due for an upgrade when i got this a year or two ago
<heat>
ok, exagerating. it's more like 1700 europes here
<zid>
2k urops is like 1990 more europs than I have
<zid>
heat wehn is my piss4 controller shipping
<heat>
the shitty normal non-pro macbooks are 1300-1400 for the lower end shtuff
<geist>
zid: honestly i would ship you random things if you didn't live in another country
<heat>
sorry, no piss4 control
<geist>
where shipping is more than the value of the thing
<heat>
WTF
<zid>
I'll pay shipping but it has to be random. A twig, the third button down on your dress shirt, a dog brush, an unused envelope
<zid>
1 spaghetto
<geist>
kk, i'll send you a bill
<geist>
i have a lot of pinecones here
<heat>
i'm here to announce i'm moving to seattle, washington, united states of america
<heat>
you know what I really need? stuff. send me stuff.
<zid>
seattle isn't one of the awful bits at least
<geist>
i'd rather have old pieces of stuff go to use than just sit around
<zid>
I think canada has a calming effect on us americans
<zid>
the more north you are the better it is
<geist>
it's really pretty here too
<heat>
the tech bros are moving to austin, texas
<zid>
47 degrees north
<heat>
it's perfect!
<geist>
once i moved to the pacific northwest and then go travel to otherplaces you kinda realize, gosh PNW is nice
<zid>
so technically, south of me
<geist>
yeah level with about the north coast of france
<zid>
uk weird, it's up here with moscow
* Ermine
is looking for the way to get stuff shipped in $country
<zid>
but relatively mild and warm
<heat>
Ermine, cuz of sanctions?
<zid>
just north enough that we don't get night in summer
<geist>
i ship stuff relatively frequently wihtin the us with a postal service flatrate box. easy to do, $10
<geist>
but... past that it gets complicated and i'm a noob
<Ermine>
heat: it's one part of problem, and I think it's the tractable one
<zid>
heat how far north are you, should I put lisboa into calculato
<geist>
zid: yeah north enough here that in the peak of summer the sun goes down like 9:30?
<geist>
it's about 2030 right now, which means it's twilight till like 2200
<geist>
but we still get a few hours of proper dark
<heat>
zid, i don't remember how north I am, like maybe boston-level?
<zid>
midnight, geist
<geist>
also fun thing with the US map. seattle is farher north than maine
<heat>
portugal kinda fits in with the atlantic east coast of the US
<heat>
tectonic plates mofos!
<zid>
3 hours of astronomical twilight, 2:30 of nautical twilight, 1:30 of civil twilight, then 16:30 of daylight
<zid>
no night
<geist>
also the presence of water to the west in the northern hemisphere to control your weather
<zid>
so until 3am it's as dark as dawn is
<geist>
ie, europe seems unusally warm compared to NA, and/or NA seems unusually cold due to the presence of cold-ass pacific ocean to the west
<zid>
europe is just warm
<zid>
we get nice warm tropical water and wind
<geist>
the US west coast has a nice climate as a result because of the calming effect of the ocean
<zid>
france hit 45C last year
<geist>
otoh the water here is also pretty cold. it's 'warm' now at about 10-11C
<Ermine>
And we get arctic air sometimes
<heat>
does europe include the UK here?
<zid>
and you're level with france
<zid>
shut up ehat :(
<heat>
"grey, but a country"
<zid>
hate
<geist>
OTOH the other 9 months of the year it's gloomy and rainy. which i honestly like
<zid>
It's not grey, it's muted green
<geist>
i think there are a lot of UK ex-pats here, it's closest to their country
<zid>
UK but colder
<zid>
australia is UK but warmer
<geist>
yah also vancouver
<Ermine>
Well some people manage to make vineyards in UK
<geist>
lots of vineyards around here
<zid>
Ermine: i've had locally made hotsauce
<geist>
on all this note i need to go mow the lawn before it warms up any more. we have a heat wave here
<geist>
original scale was temperature of nearly frozen brine water (0F) and human body temp (100F)
<zid>
(note the cross of the x axis at 32)
<heat>
i think they also re-standardized SI units to be a lot more fundamental
<geist>
ie, something a local dude could do on their own without any instruments when making a thermometer
<zid>
yea, NIST does a lot of good work
<geist>
make a themometer, do these two measurements, make a mark on the themometer, then make 8 more marks to divide it by 10s
<zid>
istr a story that he fucked it up
<heat>
like a kg was just defined as "the weight of this weird thing we have lying around", meaning it was just losing weight over time
<geist>
yah
<zid>
and the original F scale was off by a fair margin because he didn't do what he thought he did
<zid>
" Fahrenheit determined his scale based on three points: He set the point at which water, ice, and ammonium chloride (a salt) stabilized as 0°F."
<zid>
so not a useful salt, but salt
<Ermine>
heat: afaik there is another definition of kg right now
<geist>
human body temp varies a bit too, so it was already fairly silly, but yo uneeded something so that a local could reproduce it basically
<heat>
Ermine, yep, they're a lot more fundamental now
<heat>
related to physics and shit
<geist>
yah so F is now defined in terms of SI units, so it all lines up
<zid>
heat: You have to count that caesium *really* fast though
<geist>
just a silly unit. *OTOH* it is kinda nice to have an expanded number set once you're used toit. i think most folks that use F natively think in terms of tens
<zid>
I've seen marc explain his atomic clocks
<geist>
ie, 'it's gonna be in the 50s tomorrow'
<geist>
which i think is kinda nice, though obviously not required
<heat>
"The kilogram, symbol kg, is the SI unit of mass. It is defined by taking the fixed numerical value of the Planck constant h to be 6.62607015×10−34 when expressed in the unit J⋅s, which is equal to kg⋅m2⋅s−1, where the metre and the second are defined in terms of c and ΔνCs."
<zid>
geist: the UK does the same for a bunch of other units
<geist>
oh no it's going to be in the 90s tomorrow, eek!
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<heat>
since 2019
<zid>
C has enough granularity
<geist>
but once you get around freezing and bleow the F stuff is silly
<zid>
but we tend to switch to inches instead of using fractional meters or decimeters, until it's small enough for cm
<zid>
and other weirdness
<geist>
yah. and UK still uses miles like the US
<zid>
also fractional inches turn into mm
<geist>
which i could take or leave. for long distances they're equivalently useful as far as i'm concerned
<zid>
we never do fractions
<zid>
I've seen american engineers they're fucking wizards with fractions lol
<heat>
at least miles to kms are pretty simple to convert
<zid>
"That's two and seven sixteenths too long so I'll take 3 inches off and have 8 sixteenths lef.."
<zid>
just rattle that shit off
<geist>
miles have the slightly nice property that if you drive about 60mph (about 100kmh) you get precisely a mile a minute
<zid>
you know
<zid>
that works in kph too right
<geist>
so yo ucan quickly guesstimate how long it takes to get somewhere
<geist>
18 miltes from here? about 18 minutes
<zid>
oh like that
<zid>
if you're assuming the 60mph is fixed
<zid>
nobody drives anywhere at 60mph here
<geist>
sure, but it's based on the average that that's about how much you get
<zid>
we don't have a 55 (plus 5) interstate system
<heat>
oh gosh google says 1 mile = 1.60934 km
<zid>
you're either in a city doing 12, or you're on a motorway doing 90
<heat>
this has ruined miles for me, congrats
<geist>
well, it's more like even if you drive 75 most of the time there will be periods where you have to slow down, and it all averages out
<zid>
yea it's the golden ratio thing at least though
<zid>
so 1 mile = 1.6, and 1 km = 0.6 mile
<heat>
i thought it was legit 1 mile = 1.6000000000
<zid>
1.6 best number
<geist>
the nice thing about km is when you're within it then 100m, 500m, etc makes total sense
<geist>
vs 1/4 mile, 1/8 mile, etc
<zid>
we had to have special satnav firmware
<zid>
that did miles and meters
<Ermine>
Stop doing imperial units, they make me upset
<geist>
Ermine: there there
<zid>
instead of miles and yards or km and meters
<zid>
we're special snowflakes
<geist>
but yeh, could go either way. when i visit canada i just switch over and doesn't bother me at all
<heat>
if you want to sound tactical, say "klicks" instead of km
<zid>
"Turn left in one mile" "turn left in 400 meters" "turn left in 4 feet"
<geist>
within like an hour you kinda forget the others
<geist>
zid: that's the hardest part to internalize about distance honestly. you get a feel for about how far 1/4 mile is when your satnav is telling you that
<zid>
Not a joke, that's probably how a brit would naturally explain it
<geist>
like 'oh i should really be starting to slow down or look for it'
<geist>
but when its tarts telling you 300m you're like, uh...
<geist>
but that you just get used to
<zid>
miles -> meters -> feet -> inches -> cm -> mm
<zid>
The inches and feet stuff is dying out now though, I'm a weird awkward millenial
<geist>
one of the annoying things is you always have to have two sets of wrenches in your toolbox
<zid>
you have to in europe still
<geist>
at least in the US half the things are using 1/2 nuts, etc
<zid>
because of how much shit is designed in the US
<geist>
yay, okay, so we've at least inflicted that on everyone
<zid>
and because of old stuff using imperial fittings
<geist>
it pleases me when it's a nice solid 10mm socket
<zid>
plus pipe wrenches
<zid>
are always random ass nonsense
<zid>
there's no metric pipe threads
<geist>
i was surprised to see circuit layout stuff mostly still using mils
<Ermine>
The most annoying thing is that Wii starts using imperial units when I set it to region with WiiConnect24
<zid>
oh god, mils
<geist>
i think that's a case where mils are just more useful because they have more resolution
<geist>
sinc eit's something liek 30ish to one for mils to mm?
<zid>
mils is double annoying because they're the same way we say mm
<Ermine>
So I couldn't leave it so
<zid>
254 I'd assume
<zid>
25.4 even
<heat>
Ermine, wii lol
<zid>
mil is thousandths of an inch isn't it
<geist>
yah, actually i guess that's it. 25.4
<geist>
right
<Ermine>
heat: yeah
<geist>
so that's a more useful unit, you'd have to go to 10thousanths of a m or 100thousandths
<Ermine>
Well, at least WiiConnect24 is dead now
<geist>
which there's no name for that
<zid>
2.54mm is still standard pitch for a lot of components
<Ermine>
heat: do you know it has both PowerPC and ARM processors?
<heat>
i never had a wii
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<zid>
I have a wii
<heat>
i had a psp, then an xbox 360
<zid>
I still use it
<heat>
also a nintendo ds
<geist>
okay gotta go mow now. the sun is coming out more
<zid>
I need to plug it back in but I'd have to reboot my PC
<heat>
Ermine was probably still googoogaga'ing in 2003
<heat>
gen Z remember?
<heat>
heck, i was barely alive in 03
<zid>
"We own errno.h you can't write your own"
<zid>
was the crux of their argument in a lot of these cases
<CompanionCube>
see also: oracle's argument vs google
<CompanionCube>
and SAS's argument against a competitor in europe
<zid>
yea that was the other one I couldn't remember
<Ermine>
heat: probably I was
<zid>
That took until 2021 to resolve? wow
<zid>
US courts can get fucked though, generally
<heat>
Ermine, REVEAL YOUR AGE AT ONCE
<Ermine>
NO
<zid>
Ermine what's your favourite song
<zid>
or genre
<heat>
baby shark doo doo dood ooo baby shark doo do do dod o bbaby shark doo doo do do do baby shark, moooooooommyyyyyyy
<Ermine>
No favourite song
<heat>
he's secretly an infant
<bnchs>
heat: me after a concusison in the hopital
<Ermine>
And no favourite genre
<zid>
cheater
<zid>
heat what's yours
<zid>
"lack eyed peas, let's get it started in here"
<heat>
hip hop
<Ermine>
It depends on the mood
<heat>
*sometimes* russian doomer music
<heat>
or gulf war music
<zid>
name a random track you loved but haven't listened to in a while
<heat>
hard q
<Ermine>
Used to listen power metal
<zid>
anything it doesn't have to be emblematic of your taste
<heat>
what's your favourite comedian
<zid>
rn probably
<zid>
james acaster
<zid>
his netflix specials have some godlike writing
<heat>
i like pre-late-night stephen colbert
<heat>
and jon stewart
<heat>
older john oliver was also pretty fucking funny
<heat>
now he's way more insightful but way less funny
<heat>
well, just less funny, maybe not "way"
<zid>
jon stewart is funny?
<zid>
or even was?
<heat>
yea
<heat>
i also find him less funny now, but I really like his old stuff
<zid>
My single favourite standup performance was probably simon amstell's do nothing live for some reason, not sure why
<zid>
now answer the damn question
<zid>
I'll even go first, chop suey
<heat>
i don't know
<zid>
you can't name a single song
<zid>
that you remember liking a while back
<heat>
i can name songs that I liked a while back but I still tend to like them
<heat>
and/or listen to them
<gog>
Ermine: sort of
<zid>
I didn't say you don't have to not like them..
<zid>
gog: name a random song you used to love
<heat>
ok let me open my 2015 spotify playlist
<gog>
uhh
<heat>
march madness by future was pretty good
<heat>
all of these 2015/2016/2017 playlists are nostalgia fuel to me
<gog>
thank u - alanis morissette
<zid>
gog was born in 1988 then
<gog>
close
<zid>
I don't make the rules, that's just what they say
<heat>
who's they
<zid>
heat born in 2004
<heat>
wrong
<zid>
If it's inaccurate, you failed the directions (but we already knew that)
<heat>
why did I fail?
<zid>
You failed to remember a single song, overthought it, then used an external reference to name a random song
<heat>
fair
* CompanionCube
answers the 'random song i used to love' (but that really was a long time ago): amarillo, i guess? there's probably others and much more recent ones, but that one popped into my head and i haven't thought or listened to it in a long while
<zid>
by tony christie!?
<CompanionCube>
apparently so, i thought it was by peter kay :p
<zid>
That'd make you born in 1960
<gog>
who the fuck would write a song about that place
<gog>
i used to live there
<zid>
the peter kay version would make you born 1994
<zid>
god, peter kay was a bit of a flash in the pan
<zid>
he's terrible but we still quote "Garlic bread? It's a taste sensation" to each other
<CompanionCube>
lmao at the idea of boomer CompanionCube
<zid>
CompanionCube: What year actually born?
<CompanionCube>
zid: 1994 is *much* closer :p
<zid>
what's the margin?
<zid>
My guess has +- 4 errobars
<zid>
probably -2 +4
<CompanionCube>
the right answer is in your margin :)
<zid>
gog seemed close too
<gog>
you were very close
<gog>
+1
<Ermine>
gog: which question did you answer?
<gog>
Ermine: about my name
<Ermine>
Ah ok
<gog>
formally i use both, informally just the first
<gog>
and legally both taken together are my first name
<gog>
just how it is in iceland
<zid>
ermine gogsdottir
<zid>
actually I don't know what ermine is
<Ermine>
same as stoat
<zid>
no
<zid>
I know what *an* ermine is
<zid>
I don't know if you're a daughter or a son
<zid>
never had occasion to find out
<heat>
HOW OLD ARE YOU ERMINE
<heat>
TELL US YOUR AGE
<Ermine>
I REFUSE TO SPEAK UNTIL MY ADVOCATE ARRIVES
<zid>
TELL US HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT DRESSES, AND WHETHER YOU STAND OR SIT
<heat>
GIVE US ALL YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION
<zid>
I need to know what to buy for christmas
<heat>
WHATS YOUR MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME
* Ermine
...
<gog>
what are the first 16 digits of your credit card number, the expiration and the numbers on the back??
<gog>
why does ovmf insist on having a gdt layout that doesn't help me
<gog>
y'all are gonna hate my latest experiment
<zid>
it saw you coming
<heat>
because they're weird
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<heat>
brace thyself for a new 8086 instruction question