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<gbruno> [github] benjaminwand opened issue #5133 (More pdf formats) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/5133
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<J24k> have you seen https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/  .. wonder how long it takes to tell it to make gcode directly
<gbruno> [github] DougPollard opened issue #5134 (NotManifold error in difference() example, but works in CGAL) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/5134
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<teepee> J24k: but then you always should put the AI in "AI" quotes - https://chaos.social/@steely_glint/112432879698400148
<J24k> GPT4 got that question right - and i wonder if we are not also just a language model - Ü
<teepee> but not due to intelligence, understanding the meanding of it, only by now people have asked it a lot and statistics shifted
<J24k> teepee but "Her" is about 10yr old and  if GPT4o is able to do that - i am a little impressed
<teepee> I'm more scared about all the potential misuse that will be explored soon
<J24k> we know that our brain is just a big probability guesser .. and the difference from apes to human is just more neurons .. there are no special new neurons
<teepee> so far that's a guess too
<teepee> the main problem I see is that the technology is not used to learn and understand both human brain and AI
<J24k> science nowadays finding more and more clues that humans are not so special at all .. yes there are some exceptional but most of them are mundane
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<InPhase> https://bpa.st/MOOA :( I thought the offline models I had would see through that one, but they both tripped over it hard.
<InPhase> Those were my top models for handling trickier situations.
<teepee> ouchies
<J24k> I mean this questions are sort of trick questions as  children often get these wrong because of the contradiction  that something that is heavier (denser) can be lighter
<InPhase> J24k: Yes. Although we expect slightly better than children level processing from the top models.
<InPhase> Just, not on everything. :)
<J24k> didn't they came in second on math olimpics
<J24k> i see the problem that they are unaware of their limits and claim to be all knowing .. and some humans believe them (and politicians)
<InPhase> Son of a... I thought this was just pattern matching tripping it up on feathers and lead being a classic problem with too much training data of bad responses. So I changed the parameters: https://bpa.st/IPZA
<InPhase> Watching this generate in real time, I was like "Yes! That!" until it got toward the end...
<J24k> if humans get this wrong .. so does AI  - i mean all that trainings data is mostly internet trolls
<teepee> good, so it's at least stolen stuff + troll garbage
<InPhase> J24k: That is a big part of it.
<teepee> after all, that's exactly how we learn too.... wait, we don't (yet?)
<J24k> i mean we also use solutions that we don't always understand .. and just hope they are true and working
<teepee> depending on the topic, I might be ok with that
<teepee> I'm not when talking for example air plane safety or bridge building
<J24k> I use my own solutions without understanding them - hoping i understood them when i came up with the solution
<J24k> Nobody is calculating that by hand - they all hope the computer program is correct
<J24k> like PI is used by quite a  lot more people than people can calculate PI
<teepee> *using* something you don't unterstand is normal, yes
<teepee> the people creating that thing usualy do
<J24k> they know what they do but rely also on other modules and that these are working proper (which is not always the case)
<J24k> it is not that people would make computer software from the ground without any help
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