<sicelo> Not sure about the new mc-tool, but with the older one in Fremantle, you needed to use a 'request' argument ... something like 'request online'
* sicelo doesn't have his n900 handy
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<freemangordon> norayr: let me try
<freemangordon> "Mission Control 5 implements the AccountManager and ChannelDispatcher"
<freemangordon> that means it will not connect for us
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<freemangordon> Wizzup: may I have access to conversation ui code?
<freemangordon> I mean - where it is?
<Wizzup> master is not hte latest
<Wizzup> telep is, but it needs some rebasing (see commit msgs ;-) )
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<Wizzup> now we just need the code for the ones in between
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<norayr> freemangordon: but if it connected, would we see that this person is online, and this person is away? is it implemented in osso-abook?
<norayr> oh, he's not here now.
<sicelo> Wizzup: interesting! Miracles this year
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<bencoh> that's kinda unexpected
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<tmlind> huh? that's cool although maybe a bit late to release it :)
<bencoh> :]
<tmlind> should have happened at least 10 years ago..
<tmlind> still interesting
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<dsc_> ola
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<freemangordon> Wizzup: now we need a mesa driver for the ones in berween :)
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<Wizzup> dsc_: yo
<buZz> is that Series1 in any device we support?
<bencoh> err, not really, no ;)
<buZz> :( aw
<buZz> in what devices are they?
<bencoh> apparently old PCI cards
<buZz> the 'arcade' one too?
<bencoh> could be, no idea
<norayr> somebody please package dino from 'handy' branch.
<norayr> (so i don't have to)
<norayr> (i understand how bad it sounds)
<norayr> (just i have three jobs now, it'll take some time until i get more free)
<norayr> dino from handy branch draws a back button on small screens, to go to the contact list, instead of showing contacts and chat window simultaneously.
<norayr> also it has a call button, so you can make audio/video calls.
<norayr> with conversations it works.
<norayr> calls from conversations to dino and vice versa.
<dsc_> link?
<norayr> link to the source?
<norayr> minute
<norayr> searching for the repo
<norayr> i had it
<norayr> this is the branch we need: https://github.com/dino/dino/tree/feature/handy
<norayr> handy branch.
<buZz> shouldnt you already have it?
<buZz> try apt install dino-im :D
<lel> norayr closed an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/613 (no ambient light sensor driver loaded on pinephone)
* Wizzup has a /29 at home again
<Wizzup> neat
<norayr> no no
<norayr> that's the proper dino
<norayr> not from handy branch
<norayr> what we need on phone is dino from handy branch
<norayr> only this has the interface features for small screens
<norayr> as well as call button.
<norayr> and it can receive audio/video calls.
<uvos> we dont really have libhandy support
<uvos> i mean we do
<uvos> but its so old its mostly useless because the apis changed a lot
<uvos> and nothing used libhandy when our debian version was frozen
<uvos> this (runing phosh applications) would be a big benefit to updating our debian/devuan base
<uvos> we kind of have the same issue with plamo apps i tried, centering round qt versions
<uvos> lots of the mobile development outside leste is quite new so running debian oldstable is a bit of an issue
<uvos> but ofc this will hopefully be resolved soon(ish) with us moving to chimaera
<uvos> main blocker there being the removal of gconf
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<norayr> uvos, are you sure dino from handy branch uses libhandy?
<norayr> is libhandy hard to build on older debian?
<uvos> norayr: libhandy is farily tied to gtk versions so probubly yes, but i have not tried
<norayr> someone gave me an old device, atom in a small case, almost like a flash drive, but connects to hdmi port.
<norayr> i believe it was produced around 2010
<norayr> i can check, not later than 2013
<norayr> so i was using debian on it.
<norayr> (was thinking to use leste, btw)
<norayr> and i love xscreensaver.
<norayr> so most of the time this device connected to the tvset was just showing xscreensaver's random screensaver.
<norayr> but it would inevitably hang if left so for several hours. always less than 24 hours, mostly less than 12.
<norayr> there was some software bug in a video driver, i believe i found discussions about it.
<norayr> so eventually, in summer 2021 after the new debian release, i have upgraded the os, and the bug disappeared. now it can show xscreensaver for months.
<norayr> i mean this is how slow is debian.
<norayr> i got a bugfix at the time probably only i use that device.
<norayr> when that device is almost forgotten.
<sicelo> 😆
<sicelo> Put Leste on it
<norayr> yes, i wanted. now i know that leste is that old debian which has a video driver bug.
<norayr> also there was another problem - i had to do it by hand, i guess, because we have the qemu image for amd64, so i had to convert it to .img raw and dd it.
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<buZz> norayr: leste is 100% current devuan
<buZz> which is 99% current debian
<buZz> not sure why you have 'old debian' in your mind ;)
<buZz> -maemo- is, leste isnt
<norayr> it's old stable, we just discussed, and i told a story about that device that has a bug in video card driver.
<norayr> which was eventually solved in new release this summer.
<norayr> in 2021
<norayr> after like 10 years after the device was produced.
<norayr> i mean maemo is oldstable. we also discussed that it's hard to build libhandy on it.
<norayr> i had troubles building 'megapixels' app.
<norayr> because it wants gtk4, and we don't have it in our debian.
<norayr> i love maemo, don't get me wrong. that's the best mobile os even today.
<norayr> for me.
<norayr> i mean leste.
<buZz> right, devuan beowulf, buster
<buZz> its not buzz :P
<norly> gconf still seems to exist in debian 11, albeit as a legacy thing. am i missing something?
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<uvos> norayr: you can just install devuan and then add our repos and install hildon-meta
<buZz> nice
<uvos> the images are really just for conveniance for certain devices
<norly> uvos: is gconf dropped from devuan 11?
<uvos> yes
<norly> but not from debian 11?
<uvos> no for both
<uvos> and all of maemo uses gconf - hevly, often, unfortionatly as hacky ipc
<norly> lol i didn't know the ipc part
<uvos> yeah stuff like the state of the keyboard is a gconf key :P
<norly> i got confused because i spotted this package
<norly> oh so is the keyboard state backed up by the backup app? :D
<uvos> hmm that confuses me too, the documentation to debian 10 states that gconf will be removed next version
<uvos> maybe the descision was reversed? Wizzup, know whats up? ^^^
<norly> either way, it'd just kick the can down the road. i suppose it'll be removed in the next version then
<norly> still, python2 removal is likely a bigger issue, i suppose?
<uvos> not really
<uvos> not a lot of phython usage in core stuff
<norly> ah good
<norly> btw, one more question :) i just tried leste after many nears without my n900, so please bear with me
<norly> i noticed lot of hildon l10n packages - that really makes the package list unwieldy. any plans on bundling them together?
<uvos> no not atm
<uvos> but yeah i dislike this too
<norly> ah so i suppose it's a maemo leftover then. thanks
<uvos> no i think parazyd choose this layout
<uvos> its not really a big deal tho
<norly> well it makes app discovery via apt search really hard
<norly> i tried to search for hildon plugins and...
<norly> i'm not sure the tradeoff for saving a few translation files off the flash is a good one
<uvos> yeah grep -v is your freind here
<norly> anyway, just my 2 cents, if anyone cares
<uvos> it dosent even save any flash since they all get installed anyhow
<norly> thanks for all your effort, it got my n900 bug started again :)
<norly> awww
<norly> yeah then they can really be collapsed into one
<norly> oh, how did ui-fonts come to leste? that seems to be a very recent development. new nokia donations?
<norayr> uvos: i can install the latest devuan? and add hildon? wow!
<norayr> wow, they remove gconf? means they gnome gets rid of gconf? what they replace it with?
<uvos> norayr: no
<uvos> norayr: you have to install beowulf
<uvos> norayr: gconf was replaced by gsettings/dconf over a decade ago
<norayr> oh!
<norayr> anyone knows who were trying to package megapixels?
<MartijnBraam[m]> why megapixels? isn't the open camera app from the maemo repository way better for the n900 sensor?
<MartijnBraam[m]> since it actually works :P
<uvos> all the backend for the n900 camera is closed source
<uvos> and probubly not worth reing since its tied to the vendor kernel and to the n900s sensor
<MartijnBraam[m]> right, I tried to get the camera working in megapixels but had no luck with actually getting pixels from the sensor in mainline
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<norayr> Martijn, wow you notice what is happening here!
<norayr> I run maemo-leste on pinephone and droid4. not on n900.
<MartijnBraam[m]> ah makes sense
<MartijnBraam[m]> (I just get pinged on megapixels :P)
<norayr> btw i customized megapixels when i was using it under pmos, to apply my favourite luts when generating jpegs.
<norayr> i love that feature.
<norayr> but i don't want to go back to phosh anymore, i like leste.
<MartijnBraam[m]> heh nice
<norayr> i tried to build it actually, and i have built megapixels-legacy.
<MartijnBraam[m]> how do you apply the luts?
<norayr> because megapixels proper required gtk4.
<norayr> with imagemagick. hald cluts.
<MartijnBraam[m]> ah
<norayr> let me show you the config, wait. it's on github.
<MartijnBraam[m]> I'm kinda breaking that workflow with the new postprocessing
<norayr> but i was able to build megapixels-legacy some time ago.
<norayr> and i don't understand if megapixels-legacy is ok, or is it outdated source?
<norayr> oh
<MartijnBraam[m]> megapixels-legacy is not really maintained
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<MartijnBraam[m]> it's just an easier codebase to test stuff with, and it was required for distros with broken gtk4
<norayr> hmm, is there a possibility to build megapixels without gtk4?
<MartijnBraam[m]> I think a hald-clut still works at the end of the pipeline after the new postprocessing
<norayr> so megapixels is more up to date than megapixels-legacy?
<MartijnBraam[m]> not really, it requires gtk4 features
<MartijnBraam[m]> that's why it was moved over to gtk4, otherwise I couldn't use the gpu for acceleration
<norayr> this is my postprocess file.
<MartijnBraam[m]> oh nice, some film stock emulations :D
<MartijnBraam[m]> this should still work
<norayr> yes, i anyway apply those to the ready jpegs, so applying just at the time of generation is ideal.
<norayr> yay!
<norayr> do you know if anyone tries to build megapixels at least for sailfish?
<norayr> gtk4 works there with wayland.
<MartijnBraam[m]> no idea
<norayr> eh.
<norayr> (:
* norayr thinking if i can figure out how to take a photo without showing the video on the screen.
<norayr> if he can
<norayr> from the source code.
<norayr> and then write a script or a simple app with a button to take a photo.
<norayr> without seeing what i take.
<norayr> that's also ok with me. (:
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<norayr> uvos: is it possible to detect a swipe from the edge of the screen by hildon, not by the application?
<norayr> it would be cool to be able to detect a swipe from the edge and instigate the same behaviour that occurs when user clicks on the hildon button
<norayr> at the left upper corner.
<uvos> so libinput has support for sutch gestures
<uvos> and recently a xorg extension has been added to acess them
<norayr> it's much easier to swipe from right to left to 'minimize' instead of reaching with a finger to the left upper corner.
<norayr> so it's not app that detects it, it's xorg and libinput.
<uvos> yeah the hildon button is in the optimally terrible place
<norayr> yeas especially on a big pinephone screen.
<uvos> on d4 its not so bad
<uvos> since it has the home key
<norayr> true!
<norayr> but probably support for gestures is not in our devuan.
<uvos> we build very new x
<uvos> that has this extension afaik
<uvos> idk if your libinput is new enough
<uvos> maybe so
<norayr> my? my libinput is what maemo has.
<uvos> right your/our
<norayr> ah.
<uvos> i suspect its new enough
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<bencoh> on n900/fremantle I used wayv to mimic "gestures"
<bencoh> (detected as such only when starting from the edge of the screen)
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<norayr> bencoh: thank you, i'll take a look on wayv.
<norayr> but i think it'd be cool to have this feature out of the box.
<bencoh> http://cgit.notk.org/bencoh/wayV.git/?h=n900 here is my (quick&dirty) adaptation
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<norayr> wow special adaptation for n900?
<norayr> what is the difference?
<bencoh> (I shouldn't show this commit, it's really ugly :D)
<buZz> i got a droid4 lightsaber on https://github.com/buzztiaan/droidsaber
<buZz> you can probably adapt it to any IIO set up
<bencoh> http://maemo.org/packages/view/msaber/ I wonder if that one would work out of the box ... :)
<bencoh> (assuming it relied on some maemo accelerometer abstraction)