07:25 <freemangordon> ugh https://github.com/maemo-leste/libhildon/blob/master/hildon/hildon-touch-selector-entry.c#L503

07:25 <freemangordon> what is worse is that it seems the behaviour has changed

07:28 <freemangordon> so g_convert_with_iconv returns NULL instead of question marks

07:28 <freemangordon> so we have a segfault as soon as we want to insert non-english text there

07:53 <freemangordon> please someone have a look https://github.com/maemo-leste/libhildon/commit/b9d266e9285866a5b48d767114916f585b974998

07:54 <freemangordon> bencoh: Wizzup: humpelstilzchen[: uvos: is there something obviously wrong? ^^^

10:09 <bencoh> freemangordon: how did it "got worse"?

10:10 <bencoh> get*

10:22 <freemangordon> bencoh: see the commit message

10:22 <bencoh> Yeah, I've read it, but I'm still wondering what happened for it to get worse and no longer work at all

10:23 <freemangordon> returns NULL, thus segfault

10:23 <freemangordon> ah, no idea why they changed it

10:23 <bencoh> :)

10:23 <freemangordon> on my ubuntu 12.04 it returns ????

10:23 <freemangordon> not null

10:35 <bencoh> is strncmp() really supposed to work on gchar* btw?

10:36 <bencoh> or is it some kind of hack?

10:36 <bencoh> s/hack/abuse/

10:37 <bencoh> (I didn't see anything obviously wrong)

10:43 <freemangordon> bencoh: see the note https://docs.gtk.org/glib/func.strncasecmp.html

10:47 <bencoh> ah, nice

14:56 <hexagonwin_> Hello. I tried Maemo Leste on QEMU and found it interesting and I would want to buy a device for it. Nokia N900 and Motorola Droid 4 seems well supported, but it seems like they are very hard to find. Is Maemo Leste well working on the PinePhone (without physical keyboard)? Also, I found out "Motorola Droid Bionic" is a similar device with the Droid 4 but is easier to find, is the only major difference non-working modem for ML? And what's the

14:56 <hexagonwin_> major difference with Droid 4 hardware-wise? Please let me know if this is not the right place to ask. Thanks :D

15:00 <bencoh> hexagonwin_: bionic has no keyboard, apart from that it is quite close to droid4

15:02 <hexagonwin_> Oh, I thought it had one, lol. If you do know, could you please tell me where I can get a N900/D4? There seems to be almost none on e*ay.

15:03 <bencoh> I bought mine on ebay a long time ago (4~5y iirc)

15:04 <bencoh> Wizzup hunts those from time to time, he talked about buying several units from a single seller recently, dunno where this stands

15:05 <bencoh> (droid4 that is)

15:06 <hexagonwin_> Alright, I would have to hunt ebay then. lol. How well does Maemo Leste work on devices without physical keyboard?

15:07 <hexagonwin_> And, would it be a lot of work to get a device already working well on mainline linux to work in Maemo Leste? (ex : Bunch of 8916 phones like Galaxy A5)

15:12 <bencoh> if you already have Xorg running with accelerated graphics, porting leste might not be that hard

15:12 <bencoh> the phone part is another story though

15:13 <bencoh> (people managed to run leste in some container in android btw)

15:14 <bencoh> as for the absence of physical keyboard, I read recently that gtk2 apps have proper virtual keyboard support, gtk3/qt is still WIP (this might have changed since then)

15:20 <norayr> root@devuan-pinephone:/sys/bus/iio/devices# find . | grep -i lum

15:20 <norayr> gives nothing

15:20 <norayr> no ambient light sensor in new kernel

15:20 <norayr> for some reason.

15:33 <hexagonwin_> It seems like the N900 is able to do screen-out to composite, is it impossible for Droid 4 to do screen-out using composite/rgb or any? Thanks.

15:35 <bencoh> droid4 has a microhdmi port, you could always connect that to some hdmi->composite converter

15:44 <hexagonwin_> Thanks a lot :)

17:05 <sicelo> hexagonwin_: on msm8916, maemo leste will definitely run

18:15 <_uvos_> we support, the n900, the droid 4, the droid bionic and the pinephone well

18:15 <_uvos_> keyboard input via vkb works in all toolkits, but on non gtk2 toolkits its usage is a bit wonky

18:17 <_uvos_> even where the vkb works great non hwkbd phones are not ideal because the vkb is not that great and because while you can compensate small/ hard to use desktop uis using keyboard schortcuts and the arrow keys for navigation, this is not possible on the vkb

18:18 <_uvos_> the droid 4 has gotten quite rare in ebay.

18:19 <_uvos_> you can have ebay infrom you on search results via email

18:19 <_uvos_> i would use that on us ebay if you want one

18:19 <_uvos_> droid bionics are easy to get and cheep as chips

18:20 <_uvos_> droid 3 are also somewhat easy to get, its hardware is almost the same as the d4 and leste works on it too, except that currently you cant change the screen brightness

18:20 <_uvos_> and its more unsable than d4

20:28 <lel> IMbackK closed an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/609 (hildon application manager: hide debug symbol packages)

22:16 <norayr> Wizzup: i believe pp kernel doesn't show (anymore) ambient light meter information in /sys/class/iio

22:16 <norayr> should i open an issue about it?

22:17 <uvos> norayr: explain symptoms