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<wael_>
rip
<wael_>
bruh his name has a type
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<midfavila>
jesus christ you guys-
<midfavila>
i'm gonna throttle whoever designed OMEMO
<midfavila>
or people who write XMPP clients,
<midfavila>
or *something*
<midfavila>
what a mess of an ecosystem
<wael_>
whats a omemo
<Ellowee[m]>
federation is still a type of implied centralization c:
<midfavila>
federation is fine
<midfavila>
as is centralization in some circumstances
<midfavila>
complete decentralization can result in overcomplex stacks
<midfavila>
omemo is a form of encryption used primarily (exclusively?) by XMPP clients and servers
<midfavila>
unfortunately, every XMPP client and server supports radically different features, so if you have a lot of contacts via XMPP that want you to use OMEMO, your options for clients are suddenly severely limited
<midfavila>
and it's *annoying* because PGP is an option
<midfavila>
but no
<midfavila>
btw any of you ever attend a LUG?
<Ellowee[m]>
LUG?
<midfavila>
linux user group
<midfavila>
i've wanted to try starting one in my area for a while
<Ellowee[m]>
Would if I was physically near
<midfavila>
fair enough
<wael_>
would if i wasnt in the middle of nowhere
<midfavila>
one of my things this year is to try and be more social, but the only thing I know anything about is unix and stuff, soooooooooooo
<midfavila>
usergroup it is
<Ellowee[m]>
the only kind of sane thing nowadays
<midfavila>
HAH
<midfavila>
as if
<midfavila>
computing is the reason things have gone to shit lmao
<midfavila>
letting more people access the net was a mistake
<midfavila>
unix in particular is a mess too
<midfavila>
but, w/e
<Ellowee[m]>
Don't think computing is to blame
<Ellowee[m]>
Might be an enabler, sure, but not the reason
<midfavila>
well, the "reason" is that things have always been shit
<midfavila>
because people are shit
<midfavila>
but at least you used to be able to get away from most of it on the net
<midfavila>
now, you can't get away from it on or offline
<Ellowee[m]>
True
<phoebos>
woop mid has discovered the shitshow of xmpp
<phoebos>
what's your jid?
<phoebos>
would you prefer pgp to omemo?
<phoebos>
midfavila:
varsh is now known as ape
ape is now known as vb
<midfavila>
phoebos I've known about xmpp for a long time
<midfavila>
i only tolerate it because someone i know from elsewhere would otherwise lose contact with me
<midfavila>
i'm not willing to use it for anyone else, sorry
<phoebos>
ok
<phoebos>
did you mean you think pgp is a better option?
<midfavila>
i'd rather pgp than omemo
<phoebos>
in my experience, both work without too much set up
<phoebos>
as long as both people have it set up before trying to chat
<midfavila>
problem is that fuck-all supports omemo