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<Ellowee[m]> You have to be trolling
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<wael_> Hi
<testuser[m]> Hi
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<wael_> rip
<wael_> bruh his name has a type
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<midfavila> jesus christ you guys-
<midfavila> i'm gonna throttle whoever designed OMEMO
<midfavila> or people who write XMPP clients,
<midfavila> or *something*
<midfavila> what a mess of an ecosystem
<wael_> whats a omemo
<Ellowee[m]> federation is still a type of implied centralization c:
<midfavila> federation is fine
<midfavila> as is centralization in some circumstances
<midfavila> complete decentralization can result in overcomplex stacks
<midfavila> omemo is a form of encryption used primarily (exclusively?) by XMPP clients and servers
<midfavila> unfortunately, every XMPP client and server supports radically different features, so if you have a lot of contacts via XMPP that want you to use OMEMO, your options for clients are suddenly severely limited
<midfavila> and it's *annoying* because PGP is an option
<midfavila> but no
<midfavila> btw any of you ever attend a LUG?
<Ellowee[m]> LUG?
<midfavila> linux user group
<midfavila> i've wanted to try starting one in my area for a while
<Ellowee[m]> Would if I was physically near
<midfavila> fair enough
<wael_> would if i wasnt in the middle of nowhere
<midfavila> one of my things this year is to try and be more social, but the only thing I know anything about is unix and stuff, soooooooooooo
<midfavila> usergroup it is
<Ellowee[m]> the only kind of sane thing nowadays
<midfavila> HAH
<midfavila> as if
<midfavila> computing is the reason things have gone to shit lmao
<midfavila> letting more people access the net was a mistake
<midfavila> unix in particular is a mess too
<midfavila> but, w/e
<Ellowee[m]> Don't think computing is to blame
<Ellowee[m]> Might be an enabler, sure, but not the reason
<midfavila> well, the "reason" is that things have always been shit
<midfavila> because people are shit
<midfavila> but at least you used to be able to get away from most of it on the net
<midfavila> now, you can't get away from it on or offline
<Ellowee[m]> True
<phoebos> woop mid has discovered the shitshow of xmpp
<phoebos> what's your jid?
<phoebos> would you prefer pgp to omemo?
<phoebos> midfavila:
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<midfavila> phoebos I've known about xmpp for a long time
<midfavila> i only tolerate it because someone i know from elsewhere would otherwise lose contact with me
<midfavila> i'm not willing to use it for anyone else, sorry
<phoebos> ok
<phoebos> did you mean you think pgp is a better option?
<midfavila> i'd rather pgp than omemo
<phoebos> in my experience, both work without too much set up
<phoebos> as long as both people have it set up before trying to chat
<midfavila> problem is that fuck-all supports omemo
<phoebos> admittedly, most things use libsignal-protocol-c
<midfavila> also looks like most of this is android or web based
<midfavila> so
<phoebos> but that's not necessarily the same as fuck all
<midfavila> completely and utterly useless
<phoebos> > profanity, dino, gajim, poezio
<phoebos> etc
<midfavila> most
<midfavila> i'm aware that there are options
<phoebos> all these support omemo
<midfavila> i should have been more clear: there's nothing that supports omemo that meets my expectations. *shrug*
<midfavila> i don't need every feature under the sun, i don't want a client that's so huge I can't audit it, etc
<phoebos> ok. all these xmpp clients are kinda crap anyway
<midfavila> indeed.
<phoebos> it's a shame, the servers are generally quite good
<midfavila> maybe.
<midfavila> i want to avoid xmpp as much as possible
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<niceguy5000[m]> what's wrong with xmpp?