00:04 <virutalmachineus> Is that base off AI technology?

00:04 <virutalmachineus> AI compression is the future.

00:09 <virutalmachineus> Quantum plus intelligent AI is the future future, probably a 1 Terabyte to one qubit ratio.

00:12 <virutalmachineus> testuser is doing a PhD on this type of technology if I recall correctly.

02:39 <wael_> pro

02:52 <sad_plan> what other providers have ip? I was considering iproute2, buut seeing as it has deps, I find it abit off putting..

04:51 <testuser[m]> Dependencies exist for a reason

04:51 <testuser[m]> Hi

05:00 <testuser[m]> if u want any "advanced" stuff like required by wireguard then u need iproute2

05:55 <virutalmachineus> Who need ip tools when you don't connect to the internet.

06:00 <testuser[m]> virutalmachineuser: do u even use kiss lol

06:02 <virutalmachineus> yes

06:12 <illiliti> i see that iproute2 from oasis has no deps

06:12 <illiliti> besides linux-headers

06:13 <illiliti> something is wrong with our iproute2

06:14 <illiliti> it definitely should not require iptables crap

06:14 <illiliti> at least

06:18 <testuser[m]> Some features probably require it, I'll see if it's possible to use wireguard with it (one would just use busybox ip otherwise) and remove the dep

06:33 <illiliti> wtf people still depend on iptables

06:33 <illiliti> aren't those were deprecated in favor of nftables?

06:38 <testuser[m]> Yeah

06:39 <testuser[m]> wg-quick supports both tho, but idk if the features it needs from iproute are available without iptables

06:39 <testuser[m]> that's what i have to check

07:34 <testuser[m]> why do some meson pkgs install pkgconfig files to /usr/share

07:37 <illiliti> which

07:37 <testuser[m]> xkeyboard-config

07:37 <testuser[m]> it uses datadir as pkgconfig base

07:42 <illiliti> could you remind me why it needs libx11?

07:43 <testuser[m]> just some data files

07:43 <testuser[m]> /usr/share/x11/locale

07:44 <testuser[m]> idk what they even do so

07:44 <illiliti> hm

07:44 <illiliti> alpine doesn't need libx11

07:44 <illiliti> they use different source also

07:45 <illiliti> it probably doesn't matter tho

07:46 <illiliti> crux build is interesting too

07:46 <illiliti> https://crux.nu/ports/crux-3.7/xorg/xkeyboard-config/Pkgfile

07:47 <testuser[m]> # Depends on: libxslt xorg-xkbcomp

07:47 <testuser[m]> indirectly pulls x11

07:48 <illiliti> ok what about alpine build

07:49 <testuser[m]> seems fine

07:49 <testuser[m]> ill remove x11 data and see if anythng explodes

07:49 <testuser[m]> maybe its required for some other configs

07:50 <testuser[m]> seems ok

07:57 <illiliti> hm, i have pkgconfig file correctly installed

07:57 <illiliti> /usr/share/pkgconfig/xkeyboard-config.pc

07:57 <illiliti> but i use muon

07:57 <illiliti> i'll check meson

07:58 <testuser[m]> its in /usr/share/pkgconfig only

07:58 <testuser[m]> but everything else is in /usr/lib/pkgconfig

08:00 <illiliti> i don't even have /usr/lib in manifest

08:00 <illiliti> ah wait

08:00 <illiliti> i see what you mean

08:00 <illiliti> this is correct behavior

08:00 <illiliti> xkeyboard-config isn't a lib

08:01 <illiliti> it's arch-independent data, so its pkgconfig file goes to /usr/share

08:02 <illiliti> https://github.com/freedesktop/xkeyboard-config/blob/master/meson.build#L25

08:02 <testuser[m]> oh

08:03 <illiliti> so it's fine, not a bug

10:03 <testuser[m]> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Mold-1.6-Linker

11:30 <wael_> must switch to

12:51 <testuser[m]> why does ncurses reset run an artificial sleep

12:57 <wael_> what made it artificial

13:00 <testuser[m]> strace

13:03 <wael_> check source code

13:04 <wael_> https://github.com/mirror/ncurses/blob/master/progs/reset_cmd.c

13:11 <illiliti> https://github.com/landley/toybox/blob/master/toys/other/reset.c#L7

13:11 <illiliti> legacy

13:22 <testuser[m]> WTF

13:22 <testuser[m]> LOL

13:23 <illiliti> netbsd-curses have same issue

13:23 <illiliti> https://github.com/sabotage-linux/netbsd-curses/blob/master/tset/set.c#L239

13:24 <wael_> why is (void) put before it

13:24 <testuser[m]> to silence the compiler

13:25 <testuser[m]> but i dont think there's anything to warn about there

13:25 <testuser[m]> about ignoring ret value

13:25 <testuser[m]> illiliti: https://github.com/haampie/libtree

13:36 <illiliti> ldd should have this by default

13:39 <illiliti> it even has NO_COLOR support, nice

14:47 <wael_> push to repo and replace ldd

14:47 <wael_> solved

15:19 <testuser[m]> https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9kaIXkImCAM

15:35 <wael_> I love this channel

15:39 <testuser[m]> https://githubcopilotinvestigation.com/

18:45 <midfavila> https://github.com/Zeal-Operating-System/ZealOS

18:45 <midfavila> move over linux, real OS incoming

18:49 <virutalmachineus> Can I use electron apps?

19:40 <testuser[m]> For those not under the influence of this mind virus, we’ve all just had a wakeup call that Microsoft is not the awesome, friendly, totally-ethical corporation that we’ve been told they are—they remain an incompetent, bureaucratic, and exploitative corporation, operating many of the increasingly-scarce chokepoints within the computing ecosystem. This wakeup call started with a single, hilarious phrase

20:33 <sad_plan> o/

20:34 <virutalmachineus> ?o?