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<opcode>
I know that the docs say not to rely on SBCL timers as being structs internally, but what is the syntax to access the timer's slots? I'm trying to create a minimum working example because I think I found a bug
<mfiano>
This is a question for #sbcl
<opcode>
ok
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<flip214>
beach: good morning! Would you happen to know when ELS22 registration starts?
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<beach>
flip214: No, sorry.
<flip214>
beach: thanks anyway!
<flip214>
already asking Didi
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<beach>
Didier, you mean?
<beach>
By email, I suppose, since he does not hang out on IRC.
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<flip214>
right
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<karlosz>
flip214: id also like to know the answer
<beach>
I don't quite understand why that date is important.
<Bike>
packages are just namespaces for symbols. you don't "load" them. if you want a list of loaded asdf systems you can use uh... (asdf:already-loaded-systems), looks like
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<dieggsy>
what could be causing a package being found in (list-all-packages) but referencing an internal function of that package causes a compiler warning about an undefined function?
<Guest74>
when dealing with foreign memory, would there be any difference between using some sort of cffi to retrieve structs and just getting the array of bytes and assembling the bits yourself? The latter seems more generalizable(sp?) to writing to networks and disk.
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<Bike>
dieggsy: you could have the package definition loaded without the actual code
<dieggsy>
oh right. it's an implementation package, and the warning only shows up when compiling with a batch script vs interactively
<dieggsy>
i don't think it's explicitly :required anywhere, which feels like the correct thing to do regardless
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<Bike>
you can also probably mark implementation systems as dependencies in an asdf system
<Bike>
e.g. :depends-on (:sb-rotate-byte)
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<Guest74>
If a macro is written in package A, which uses package B, and the macro expands into something that uses package B functions without a package qualifier, does package C which uses A have to use B as well?
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<Bike>
no. the packages of symbols are set when they are read, i.e. when the macro is defined.
<Guest74>
thanks, I wasn't sure about that.
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<lisp123>
(dotimes (i 10) (make-money)) -> is there a better way to write a loop that doesnt' use i?
<Bike>
(loop repeat 10 do (make-money))
<lisp123>
Bike: That was fast :P
<dieggsy>
Bike: I think that's probably more correct yeah. There's some weird stuff about allegro and when certain implementation systems should or shouldn't be included in images so I need to think about it a bit more I guess
<Guest74>
What's the problem with i? it's shorter anyways. More on point, (dotimes ($ 10) (print "money"))
<lisp123>
Yeah I think I like dotimes better - but you should abstract away the implementation (printing money) from the call site ;)
<lisp123>
it could be (mine money) in another currency
<rotateq>
lisp123: we would be again at expressiveness if someone else reads it :)
<lisp123>
rotateq: ;)
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<Guest74>
is there a default key binding for paredit-backwards-slurp-sexp, or remind me of how to look at the keymap?
<edgar-rft>
don't look at C-h b - it's cheating!
<lisp123>
ah
<lisp123>
well i'll keep quiet then
<Guest74>
thanks, i keep forgetting that.
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<lisp123>
does anyone ever get strange errors trying (USE-PACKAGE ...) in CL-USER?
<rotateq>
you mean in LispWorks? ;)
<lisp123>
lol ;) I am trying to see if its a LW issue or a me issue ;)
<lisp123>
Maybe we are not meant to USE-PACKAGE in CL-USER
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<pjb>
lisp123: the contents of CL-USER is implementation dependent. Therefore any USE-PACKAGE in it will be implementation dependent.
<lisp123>
pjb: Thanks! You have a solution for everything ;)
<pjb>
That's because I've been using CL since 1996, so I encountered all those problems already.
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<lisp123>
26 years :)
<Demosthenex>
so is there a way to have variable quantity wildcards in trivia? i'm trying to match an embedded pattern, and i could mapcan over the list but it felt like trivia should be able to do this: (trivia:match* '((1 2 3) (4 5 6) (7 8 9)) ((list 4 a 6) a)) => 5
<Demosthenex>
otherwise i'm having to mapcan over the input list like a giant logical "any" clause
<pjb>
You'd have to read the documentation. Or the source…
<pjb>
Sorry, I can't do this reading right now.
<Demosthenex>
yeah, i'm digging around, they have and/or constructs, but i'm not seeing a way to ever specify a variable # of arguments anywhere.
<Demosthenex>
i can cheat variable tails by matching a cons cell, but i think it's because it's making a matcher macro, not iterating like regexp
<Demosthenex>
pjb: you're always a great help, i don't want you to start from scratch. i was hoping to jog someone's memory =]
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<gamaliel>
Hi, CL newbie here. I'm not sure if it can be done, but can one specify in a class an "initform" of sorts in a slot that depends on a given initarg? I've been able to reproduce it using an initialize-instance :after method, but I'm curious to see if there is a better way of specifying it. Here's the example: https://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/2951#2951
<Xach>
gamaliel: initialize-instance (or related) methods are the way to do that, not in the defclass form.
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<gamaliel>
Xach: Ok, thank you. I think I'll just set up all my slots in the initialize-instance method then. I don't like splitting the definition of class slots among defclass and the methods.
<mfiano>
That is an odd thing to do. You might want to read Keene's book for as to why.
<Xach>
gamaliel: :default-initargs is another option
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<Xach>
In general, I think that if initialization requirements are simple, :initform and :default-initargs are fine.
<gamaliel>
@Xach: I'll read up on it. It seems I can write (defclass my-class () ((slot-depending-on-initarg :initargs depend-slot)) (:default-initargs :depend-slot (do-something-with-depend-slot))) to do what I want.
<gamaliel>
@Xach: thank you
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<yitzi>
gamaliel: I don't the @ sign does anything on IRC. Just "person: bla bla" should suffice.
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<Xach>
yitzi: maybe in their client my nick is prefixed with an @ because i am +o in the channel.
<Xach>
but it's true that it's not part of the nick, just some metadata
<yitzi>
Xach: You are probably right. Noted.
<gamaliel>
That is indeed what happens.
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