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<archetech> took your new toys into privaye chay and ticked off TK again lol
<archetech> y=t
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> you alright over there archetech?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 🙂
<archetech> primadona's
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> who? TK was mad about the existence of the Radxa Discord
<archetech> you were given the boards to assist the community right
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> and that community hangs out on the Radxa discord
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> shrugs
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I tossed my feedback into their forum
<archetech> lots of folks still use plain irc like me and him
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> choices
<archetech> yeah exclusive ones
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> we bridge ours, if Radxa doesn't that's their call
<lvrp16> put enough people in one place and eventually it will become a shit show.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> everything is a shit show
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> on a long enough timeline
<archetech> razzin ya's armbian devs wont make much of a contrib on it
<archetech> so not a big deal
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> We're working to get the extra SoC channels to white quark
<lvrp16> life is always a battle between the idealists, the pragmatists, the lazy, and the people who have better things to do.
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Truth
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> End of day we got a shit ton of new community and contributors after expanding into discord
<lvrp16> the rise of genz
<archetech> all the r5 needs is me to get kde-wayland running LFS on it :)
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Yeah I mean I wish I didn't have to use kubernetes because of my values but I do when it makes sense
<lvrp16> LFS as in linux from scratch?
<archetech> yes
<lvrp16> and I thought gentoo was masochist
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'm tempted to try it for the lols
<lvrp16> I'm going to sit and wait to give you the ggs
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I used Gentoo long ago
<archetech> r5 is only ~30% faster than my N2+ so meh not a huge leap
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it was the only way to get a netburst machine to perform
<lvrp16> Netburst popped my Pentium cherry
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> that's because of the absolute trash Rockchip kernel
<lvrp16> r5 = rock pi 5?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I assume that's it
* archetech lazy typer
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I have an Rock 5 and a R5S in front of me so
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Daaamn
<lvrp16> It's starting to sound like Audis
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Well, they aren't that crappy, sheesh
<lvrp16> LOL
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> oh no
<archetech> Odroid is cookin up a 3588 board but they dont talk about it
<archetech> N3!
<lvrp16> damn, these people are rich...
<ArmbianHelper> ^ Error retrieving title. Check the log for more details.
<lvrp16> and it might even boot efi
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hahahaha
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yeah these boards are dangerously close to the "There is literally no point" cost position
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> spend $50 more and get fully supported everything with mainstream hardware
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<archetech> meteor lake sbc 12 core
<ArmbianHelper> ^ Intel Meteor Lake mobile processor highlights leaked - CNX Software
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Hey now reality distortion field must be preserved in this room
<archetech> arm game over
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> haha lanefu
<lvrp16> lol lanefu, wait...what? mainline support before the product is released? nonsense.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> mainline support 5 years after it's released? still optimistic
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Crusty android kernels pretending to be Linux but 15% slower (looking at you Rockchip), check.
<lvrp16> hey now...we did it...it's been done...
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> haha
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Release. Suffer.... Suffer.. almost.. random reboot from some fucking clock tick problem.. suffer. "Stable"
<archetech> ship it
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Suffer suffer outdated stable
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Done
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> https://github.com/revoltchat
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<ArmbianHelper> ^ Revolt · GitHub
<lvrp16> invest $100000 to save 1000 people 5 hours each? nah forget it. yo homes to armbian.
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> I didn't want to count those zeros but I did
<lvrp16> it's a joke, i just keyboard blasted a bunch of 0s
<lvrp16> may have missed a zero
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> ROFL
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Collect underpants business plan
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lol
<archetech> Orange Pi 5 coming
<ArmbianHelper> ^ Orange Pi 4 PCIe Link Speed? - Orange Pi 4/4B - Armbian Community Forums
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I hope the learned from this
<archetech> so which is better bet rock5 or Opi 5
<archetech> opi uses the S chip bummer
<archetech> I still prefer to find an M1 mac mini cheap used
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<ArmbianHelper> ^ Amazon.com: HP EliteDesk 800 G1 Tiny Computer Micro Tower PC, Intel Core i5-4590T, 8GB Ram, 256 GB SSD, WiFi, Windows 10 Pro (Renewed) : Electronics
<archetech> those make good hackntosh
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<lvrp16> how about them intel arc a380. we need to strap one to a cortex a53 and then benchmark it :D
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> to an a53? ROFL
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<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> In some way. Opi5 does not have pcie lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hahahahaha
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<archetech> verner's up early
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> A reboot of the Rockpro with proper RK3588 and full size pcie would be cool
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Actually normal time for me but usually no time to check discord early
<archetech> Werner: you have to have a beer for bfast to join in ;p
<ArmbianHelper> ^ [image/png] (125.8KiB)
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> I had one eight hours ago. Does that count? 😛
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> that ginger ale will murder you if you're unprepared
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Tony lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> which means it's perfekt
<steev> intel is already moving to a big.LITTLE setup like arm does
<steev> and some day i'll get my rock5 :( until that day i'll keep using my Thinkpad x13s
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> haha and it's going super well
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 🙂
<archetech> steev yeah Im using an Aspire 5 as a arm substitute
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> steev it can't run mainline without very very very special power setup
<steev> the thinkpad x13s is quite nice even without gpu
<steev> Tonymac32: ouch
<steev> what happened there?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> you have to get a barrel jack to type-c adapter and just dump 12-20V into it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it's a long story, but the FUSB302 mainline driver will reset the power 100% of the time on negotiaition
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so it will boot loop forever
<steev> oof, is there a mailing list thread about that already ?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> an old one already happened because the rk3399-roc-pc has the same setup
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> no resolution
<steev> ah, i don't have one of those, my rk3399s are the nanopc t4, and pbp i believe
<steev> oh the neo4
<ArmbianHelper> ^ [Bug ?] usb :typec :tcpm :fusb302
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> some reading
<steev> interesting
<steev> i miss these deep dives when i was at the device manufacturer
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<cyph84> the scalped prices of Raspberry Pis are getting dangerously close to a low end PC :|
<steev> i should sell some of my pis
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Dude I was gonna say that stuff was like Acid
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> https://forum.radxa.com/t/rock-5b-debug-party-invitation/10483/188 The good news is Radxa is at least paying attention
<ArmbianHelper> ^ ROCK 5B Debug Party Invitation - 5B - Radxa Forum
<stipa> just jam radxa discord channel in here
<stipa> via bridge bot
<stipa> ban if it sux
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<lanefu> LOL if you leave etcher running in background too long https://armbian.lane-fu.com/linx/s/yh8uit6w.png
<ArmbianHelper> ^ [image/png] (14.9KiB)
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> you need more memory 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Nice memory leak
<stipa> lanefu: you need more memory
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> lol yeah
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> 16GB box too
<stipa> not enough for the etcher obviously
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> what
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Etcher runs in a VM on Chrome apparently
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😆
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> etcher the sd card writer
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichN> only requires 1 gig to run
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> "only"
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Big.LiTtLe.LITTLER
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Should run in 500k
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Though, "LP-E"? Performance, efficiency, uh... Even more efficiency?
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> They couldn't rename the middle cores as balanced, or something?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> remember who you are talking about
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 8080: Register A
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 8086: Register AX
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 80386: Register EAX
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> A, A eXtended, Extended A eXtended
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Extended or expanded memory?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> why not both?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> and have them be different
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> You forgot 8088
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> same register set as 8086, just an 8 bit data bus
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Ahh
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so each fetch took 2 cycles
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> You're too smart for 8am
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<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> 88 was therefore weaker than 86?
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> still. When meteor lake SBC?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yes, all I/O was built to use the really cheap/available 8-bit stuff
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so it was slower than the 8086
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<stipa> that's cool stuff even today
<stipa> as i got it all the problem with newer and better 86 models is that it's not possible to know cycle count
<stipa> therefor if your stuff runs slow get a faster CPU
<stipa> and hope it'll chew everything in predefined time chunks
<stipa> but, that's for real time stuff i guess
<stipa> who can wait can get away with x86
<stipa> in old CPUs you have complete control over time
<stipa> in assembly at least
<stipa> nowadays you have OS on top of the hardware that does it's own thing and you can fuck yourself
<stipa> like, i want this to be done in 1mS..., OS: well i have to update windows, wait an hour...
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> SMM "Well, I have to send data to the NSA, so wait a second"
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Microcode: "Well, I decided to reorder your instructions, so wait just a jiffy"
<stipa> yeah, bunch of crap fighting for time
<stipa> you have devs making hardware, the latency is obvious but they are still going with it for some rason ignorign the latency
<stipa> i guess multicore processing should solve some of that but again i see there's not much devs know how to do it
<stipa> like, every process would have it's own core and time for itself
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> smp programming back in my telecom days was essential
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> The threading code had to be efficient and robust for switch and service provisioning.
<stipa> yeah, it's rare to see such degree of optimization around even with multithreading at least a decade around
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> yeah not nearly as common now
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> (this was the mid-late 90's when I was doing it)
<stipa> it's still mostly processes fighting for all cores at once, or treating for example 8 cores as one processor
<Armbian-Discord> <T​enkawa> yep
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