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<schwarz_Kat>
Add Scorecards' GitHub action (armbian#3882) automatically runs on my fork and fails, and I guess other forks. Is there a way to restrict it to only run on Armbian?
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> Yes it is. There is a pull request dedicated for cleaning scripts. Add a nore there that i wont forget this. I am out of office.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> If I'm lazy I'll use the free slots on my uptimerobot account. If I'm less lazy I'll use Prometheus blackbox exporter and Prometheus alert manager
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<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> There's something I ought to learn.
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> Prometheus and probably graphena
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<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Yeah they're great tools and definitely worth learning
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Ex: I use Prometheus to get metrics from home assistant then it's easy to graph in grafana
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Wtf language are you speaking
* nekomancer[m]
try #3910 and while it compiles lurking why /dev/fan* lost on helios84
* nekomancer[m]
* try #3910 and while it compiles lurking why /dev/fan* lost on helios64
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> someone reported that on forum, was it you or someone else?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> Hi @IgorPec! Is someone working on the HDMI audio output issue on the Odroid N2? Here they told me to tell you that Neil has some ideas on how to solve it.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> why we would be working on that?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> In search of perfection?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> we do that.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> I'm sorry for having asked about that.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> I won't dare anymore.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> you can ask anything, not prohibited 😉 just think what you are asking
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> I'm not aware of how bugs are tracked and solved in Armbian. I was just curious to know if someone had read that post, if the bug has reached your attention, that's all.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> those are not armbian bugs
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> those are your bugs
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> and bugs from the one that sold you hardware
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> Hardkernel?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> Firmware bugs?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yes. they sold you not working hardware
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> It happens both on my two N2+ devices and on my N2 board bought from three different sellers latest years
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> I doubt they all sold me not working hardware
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> not working hardware interface to be more precise
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> Then why the hardware should work always with native Arm64 applications and never with wine applications?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> It seems to me a software bug
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yes. but again, not Armbian problem
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> Maybe is something to do with wine
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> Do you write odroid n2 firmware?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> have absolutely no idea, we could lost months to understand this
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> which we don't have.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> Ok ok
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> Nevermind
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i don't deal much with amlogic stuff. i think they told you yesterday who and what
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> I don't know how to use those patches
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> And more important, I don't know if I can use them on my already installed and running aystem
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> if you use armbian, you get things with updates
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> Actually I used a patch some time ago but it was before compiling a simple software
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> everything that lands to the build system eventually gets to distribution
<nekomancer[m]>
<Armbian-Discord> "<IgorPec> someone reported that..." <- I am. And one more human.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> Can I apply a patch to my installed system?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> not directly
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> you need to compile kernel
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> install it and reboot
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> this is basic principle
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> Do you know some guide or article I could read about it?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> start with docs.armbian.com
<Armbian-Discord>
<Mz3D> Ok
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> our project is best place to deal with such problems.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> not saying we have best docs about, but this is it. outside this i can't tell what is best to start
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<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> Igor, you say you don't do much with Amlogic, but the N2 says you're the maintainer. This is why Mz3D was telling you directly.
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> Is the N2 actually unmaintained?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> my name is by default and in all cases of grey areas where there was no maintainer
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> Okay. Well, that explains that.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> still, maintainer is not obligated to solve bugs
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<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> But tell me you yourself don't say "dear maintainer, are you aware of this thing within your area of authority"?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> sw support is complicate area and this is intentionally left in grey area
<johnjaye>
is it better to use a ubuntu LTS or a non-LTS for development?
<johnjaye>
i noticed the build instructions use ubuntu 22.04 so i wonder if that was on purpose
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<cornelius>
Depends on what ur trying to accomplish I would think. If what ur working on depends on particular versions of things and an LTS has that version you are working with I would stick to an LTS. As more than likely ur project will be good up until the LTS is no longer supported.
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> If you want an lts, use Debian
<cornelius>
Ubuntu tends to have longer LTS releases I thought
<cornelius>
Ubuntu Focal EOL isn't till `April 2025`
<cornelius>
and thats been out forever now
<johnjaye>
ubuntu does a lts release every 2 years
<cornelius>
yea, but the old LTS lives on
<cornelius>
they just create a new one
<johnjaye>
mostly i had in mind the scenario of. you're trying to compile something and the -dev is outdated or something breaks because of an update. i'm not sure how much this actually happens
<johnjaye>
in the case of armbian would it build fine on a non-lts ubuntu?
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<cornelius>
You would need to ask someone in the armbian crew about that. I would think though using the latest Ubuntu LTS would be the way to go.
<johnjaye>
yes that's what the instructions say. i did build it but never got around to testing it on my odroid. (ran out of sd cards)
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> For build environment or for board environment?
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> I don't have issues building on Debian
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> And I build ebin with bullseye
<Armbian-Discord>
<ManoftheSea> But that's cli only
<johnjaye>
ok. debian seems to release less than ubuntu judging by their schedules. i remember being stuck on debian stable for a long time and i couldn't build anything
<johnjaye>
almost every library i wanted to use was out of date
<cornelius>
I find its good to have both the latest Debian Stable and Ubuntu LTS available to you.
<cornelius>
Ubuntu for current and Debian for older vendor garbage.
<johnjaye>
hmm. i'm reading and it actually says here 95% of people use ubuntu LTS versions.
<johnjaye>
and the non-lts ones only get updates for 9 months
<johnjaye>
what kind of garbage?
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<cornelius>
I'm not speaking for Armbian, but I use bullseye for compiling old vendor u-boot crap mostly.
<cornelius>
Focal would probs be good for that too.
<johnjaye>
ok. i have a bullseye install but used bookworm instead since i thought libs on stable would get out of date fast
<cornelius>
doesn't armbian use a lot of toolchains anyway?
<cornelius>
or did they stop doing that?
<steev>
depends on what your idea of "out of date" is - if you're compiling software constantly, you may want to consider testing, or even sid as your base
<steev>
most people that use stable, do so because they don't want to constantly be compiling software or dealing with updates, they just want a system that works