11:49 <Guest58> hi :)

11:49 <Guest58> When Firefox attempts to focus another window when selecting an already opened tab from the suggestions in the url/search bar that is on another tag than the current tag, the active tags are not changed. Is this behaviour known and is this an upstream issue or something that can be done in River? Or is this an incorrect implementation from Firefox?

11:49 <Guest58> I don't really get how IRC works, if I log off from web.libera.chat are the channel logs the only way to see replies?

11:51 <Nickli> messages are only sent out once so the clients present/online are only ones recieving it

11:53 <Guest58> I guessed that, but that must be really annoying if you have an unstable wifi connection or forget that you have an irc client open and suspend to RAM

11:56 <Nickli> traditionally you get around that with a bouncer or client hosted somewhere with a relaiable internet and power connection

11:57 <ifreund> I've heard that pico.sh offers a free IRC bouncer fwiw

11:58 <Nickli> there are plenty of "shell" providers around, think tildes had one too

15:01 <__toor__> so I finally got Mesa compiled and I wanted to have another go at running river with i915 driver

15:01 <__toor__> I just got the usuaul "failed to initialize renderer" and no other feedback to what goes wrong

15:02 <__toor__> The i915 driver is loaded and I have mesa installed with the EGL libraries. is there some magic env variables I can set to actually get useful feedback from the init process?

15:09 <__toor__> error(wlroots): [renderer/wlr_renderer.c:272] Could not initialize renderer

15:18 <__toor__> I got sway + xwayland running on the same machine using distrobox so im not sure what the problem can be

15:23 <ifreund> __toor__: did you try river -log-level debug?

15:23 <ifreund> iirc wlroots should log some more info before that message

15:24 <ifreund> there's probably some MESA_ environment variable to get more logging as well but I don't know it off the top of my head

16:26 <__toor__> It doesn't seem to be anything on the WLR side that would prove useful either.. hmm.

16:27 <__toor__> I disabled glx in the build, is that something that is expected to be needed? (I am not using Xwayland)

16:38 <ifreund> no, glx is not needed

16:38 <ifreund> you're probably going to need to share at least a complete debug log of the failure for me to be of any more help

16:40 <__toor__> glx not being needed is good info :)

21:53 <__toor__> ifreund: I got it working! wlroots became more informative when I explicitly set the renderer to gles2

21:53 <__toor__> then it told me explicitly, "sorry, that isn't compiled in."

21:54 <__toor__> idk what it actually was doing, maybe it tried vulkan support... which is missing in the mesa build because I explicitly didn't compile that

21:54 <__toor__> (mesa is a PITA to compile, especially the latest releases)

21:55 <__toor__> anyways, happily running river now in gles2

21:56 <__toor__> now for the next problem.... getting a reasonable *bar up and running that doesn't require old gnome libraries that hasn't been updated in like 10 years.

21:57 <__toor__> I'd eventually be interested in co-developing a riverbar that is hard coded for river if anyone feels it would be interesting enough to do. static binary without any fancy stuff. no weird dependencies except perhaps a decent font lib.