06:39 <marc44> Hello

06:40 <marc44> This is really stupid but... I can't tell where river is being "started"

06:40 <marc44> I'm trying to change my keymap to colemak but I can't find where to export the environment variable because I have no idea where river is being run from

06:40 <marc44> I tried `ps aux |grep river` and got this

06:41 <marc44> Well, I found a few processes that ran `dbus-run-session river <..>` but I couldn't find out where that was being run. Obviously it seems like from dbus, but I cant find where it executes river.

06:41 <marc44> Any help is appreciated

06:54 <novakane> marc44: you can change your keymap by using the riverctl keyboard-layout command

06:55 <marc44> `man riverctl | grep keyboard` doesn't seem to yield much for me

06:55 <marc44>  novakane

06:56 <marc44>  Are you sure that's the correct command?

06:56 <marc44> Wait...

06:56 <marc44> What's the current version of river?

06:56 <novakane> I am. 0.3.3

06:57 <marc44> Okay I'm on 0.2.0-dev

06:57 <marc44> I think I built it from source at some point and forgot how I did it

06:57 <marc44> and how I installed it

06:58 <novakane> yeah that's a really old release, I don't remember when keyboard-layout was implemented

07:01 <marc44> Ahhh I remember what happened. I compiled it from source because in 0.2.x XWayland was experimental

07:01 <marc44> I still have no idea how it was installed and how to uninstall it

07:03 <novakane> well it's a *-dev version so from master branch at some point, unless your distro package a version from the master branch

07:04 <marc44> I don't think it did

07:04 <marc44> I think I ran this at some point`zig build -Doptimize=ReleaseSafe --prefix ~/.local install`

07:04 <marc44> I think I ran this at some point `zig build -Doptimize=ReleaseSafe --prefix ~/.local install`

07:06 <novakane> yeah so either you can build it from source again or use your distro package manager if there is an up to date version in it

07:06 <marc44> I actually kind of want to uninstall it and use dwl instead

07:07 <marc44> But I'm incredibly confused as to how to do that

07:08 <marc44> I've just totally forgotten about how a wayland system is structured

07:08 <marc44>  any ideas?

07:11 <novakane> either you run the command above again with uninstall instead, but you need to have the source and the correct version of zig

07:12 <novakane> or you just delete what river installed in ~/.local

07:12 <marc44> Yeah I think it just pasted stuff in ~/.local/bin/river

07:13 <marc44> "stuff" being the binaries

07:13 <marc44> But i can't wrap my head around *where* river is "started" or launched

07:13 <marc44> Like where did I specify that my compositor was river, and having it be run?

07:14 <novakane> well I don't know, how do you launch it?

07:15 <novakane> from a TTY? A display manager?

07:15 <marc44> That's why I asked for help. I have no clue. I did it a few years ago, and I've forgotten how I set things up.

07:15 <marc44> I was hoping for some guidance as to how to diagnose how I set it up.

07:15 <marc44> The only information I can find is the PID of `dbus-run-session river`

07:16 <marc44> I'm on Void Linux

07:25 <novakane> we can't really help guessing your setup, there is a lot of possibilities, you could just type river in a TTY, automatically launch river from you shellrc files, using something like gdm

11:34 <tiosgz> ifreund: i have a few nitpicks and a question about the wm protocol

11:35 <tiosgz> first, it should be made clear that shell/deco surfaces get the respective role assigned

11:36 <tiosgz> second, i assume window.set_borders ignores any previously set borders? (for a moment i thought it was possible to have different borders at different edges)

11:36 <tiosgz> plus the default is no borders?

11:38 <tiosgz> and last, is there a way for the wm to push layer-shell off the edge, other than using layer-shell itself and setting an exclusive zone?

11:38 <tiosgz> not sure if this would be useful, but since you and leon have been talking about shell-like wms, i ended up wondering about it

11:53 <ifreund> tiosgz: yeah, set_borders overwrites the values set by any previous request, that should be explicitly stated

11:53 <ifreund> and default is no borders

11:53 <ifreund> I'm not quite sure what you mean by "push layer-shell off the edge" tbh

11:54 <ifreund> there is a "river_output_v1.usable_area" request now which is maybe relevant to what you're talking about?

11:58 <tiosgz> i only see a usable_area_hint *event*?

11:59 <tiosgz> but if there were a request that told river to keep some of the output edges for the wm, that's mostly it

12:01 <ifreund> I think I'm ok with the assumption that if the window manager draws a bar, they don't also want to use a layer-shell bar for now

12:01 <ifreund> the last thing I want to do is have layer-shell specific complexity like exclusive zones in the rwm protocol

12:01 <ifreund> s/they don't/the user doesn't/

12:01 <tiosgz> ok, seems reasonable

12:02 <tiosgz> either way it's easier to add stuff than to remove it

12:02 <ifreund> exactly :)

14:14 <calico> hi

14:15 <calico> who up aphexing they twin

14:15 <calico> 7\

14:15 <calico> also is river worth it

14:15 <calico> i wonder

14:15 <calico> or should i go with something like

14:15 <calico> hyprland

14:15 <calico> it seems more attractive idk

14:32 <cathalo> Trying out chimera, can't build river with it as it does not find the versioned wlroots so file nor the included path. What do you do when building ifreud?

14:44 <cathalo> Right now I just make sym links is this normal?

15:04 <novakane> cathalo: with wlroots built from source or from chimera package?

15:05 <cathalo> Chimera pkg

15:08 <novakane> you need to patch river build.zig to use wlroots-0.17 instead of just wlroots, there like two places to change it iirc

20:14 <fobody> Hey all, does anyone know if its possible to set up virtual monitors in river?

20:15 <fobody> I want to be able to remote launch a virtual monitor for use in sunshine for video game steaming

20:15 <fobody> Pretty sure is possible in hyprland and gnome but I like river, don't want to switch

20:46 <leon-p> you mean a headless output?

20:46 <leon-p> I think there are wlroots env vars you can set, but I am not sure

20:47 <leon-p> there is no way to create a headless output via any riverctl commands unfortunately

20:54 <fobody> Yeah essentially headless output

20:54 <fobody> Alright good to know, thanks leon-p

23:07 <harv322> Hello. I've been trying out river for the first time but am running into an issue where the numlock state of my keyboards is not shared. For example, if I toggle numlock through my keyboard, numlock is not toggled on my external numpad and vis-versa. Is this the expected behavior in river? Apologies if this is a dumb question. I'm new to window

23:08 <harv322> managers '=(

23:56 <NickH> c