02:31 <NickH> leon-p: sure, you need to have a sane ~/.config/river/init

03:15 <NickH> s/sane/slightly more nuanced

09:27 <Franciman> awesome. People another question. I can't find in the docs how i can map mouse hover to window focusing

09:35 <novakane> Franciman: look for focus-follows-cursor in the riverctl(1) man page

09:36 <Franciman> oh thanks

09:38 <Franciman> awesome, novakane

09:38 <Franciman> one more question. What bar do you use? if any

09:38 <Franciman> i'm loving river, thanks people!

09:41 <novakane> well I personally wrote my own bar, yambar and waybar are some popular choices https://git.sr.ht/~novakane/zelbar

09:42 <Franciman> oh gorg

09:42 <Franciman> does it have the tray?

09:42 <Franciman> wait i can read

09:45 <Franciman> why is the systray out of fashion? :(

09:46 <ifreund> I personally haven't used one in years...

09:46 <Franciman> i use it for nm-applet, for connecting to wifi

09:46 <ifreund> I use nmcli

09:47 <ifreund> I haven't acutally been using a bar either for a while

09:47 <Franciman> oh cool

09:47 <Franciman> how do you deal with tags?

09:47 <Franciman> do you remember them?

09:47 <ifreund> Yeah, I guess so

09:47 <Franciman> nice

09:48 <ifreund> there's also river-tag-overlay but I was too lazy to set it up and haven't really missed it

09:48 <Franciman> i'm very happy guix ships river

09:48 <Franciman> it is so cool!

09:48 <ifreund> I think long term I want to move beyond tags as a window management primitive but that will require me to finish the window management protocol first

09:49 <Franciman> oh, do you already have an idea?

09:52 <ifreund> I like fuzzy open file things, and I think I'd like not thinking about tags

09:53 <ifreund> I think one can combine those ideas and have something like "fuzzy jump to window" "fuzzy add window to set of visible windows" etc commands

09:53 <Franciman> gorg idea

10:22 <leon-p> ifreund: I had a fuzzy window switcher on sway a few years back and it worked really well, however sways workspaces got in the way for me personally

10:23 <leon-p> my idea is to move beyond tags / workspaces as well. instead just one set of windows per output and a way to save window configurations

10:24 <leon-p> and regarding setting up river-tag-overlay, probably the one thing I miss from X is the .Xresources file, a single config file to set up colours for all widgets, at least in theory

10:42 <ifreund> yeah, I too would appreciate a simple, unified way to set up a colorscheme across my programs

10:43 <ifreund> I would suggest we make up a standard but I suspect one already exists and I don't want to deal with the bikeshedding

10:44 <ifreund> hmm, I guess that's kinda what this is: https://github.com/chriskempson/base16

11:13 <leon-p> designing a theme scheme (heh) where you can just swap colours is probably really hard, since you don't know which applications use which colour for what purpose. Especially w.r.t. contrast. I remember reading a blog post about this a few years back by the designer of the emacs modus themes

11:14 <leon-p> you could get rid of that issue by making all modes of all widgets visually distinct without relying on colour (which you really should do anyway for people who have vision deficiencies), but that's kinda hard with flat designs

11:15 <leon-p> and while I love skeumorphism in UI design, most people / programmers don't apparently

11:40 <ifreund> https://protesilaos.com/codelog/2022-01-23-base16-modus-themes/

11:41 <ifreund> maybe I should try the modus themes, though I feel like I'd need a reasonable way to globally swap between light and dark mode then...

11:42 <ifreund> solarized dark has kept me happy for like 5 years at this point

11:46 <ifreund> this is also quite interesting: https://protesilaos.com/codelog/2022-04-21-modus-themes-colour-theory/

12:19 <novakane> yeah as someone that use light theme and always try to go for AAA contrast this is hard to do for base16 theme and apps that use something like that

12:20 <novakane> so many apps are unusable with a light theme and using the terminal colors

15:53 <adamcstephens> I'm a big fan of the modus themes.