<bslsk05>
cohost.org: cohost! - "taking the deepest possible breath"
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<zid>
tl;dr: Weird dual boot tech by pheonix that puts one OS into S3 then swaps the 'current' memory set by adjusting the e820 to show half the ram as reserved to each of the two guests.
<nortti>
seemed to be ¾ vs ¼ but yeah
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<heat>
steamed hams
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<Ermine>
gog: may I pet you
<heat>
no
<zid>
no
<zid>
heat can you buy vindaloo in portugal
<Ermine>
:'(
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<heat>
zid, yes
<heat>
but can you buy a router in portugal? no, absolutely not
<zid>
Ermine is undermining our democratic process
<Ermine>
I love democracy
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<Ermine>
I love republic
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<heat>
least russian russian
<heat>
that being said
<heat>
COUNT THE VOTE, COUNT THE VOTE
<mjg>
ey
<nortti>
vote the count
<heat>
mjg, are you italian american now?
<heat>
ey, watchu doin here
<mjg>
wadda ya mean
<Ermine>
Once everybody gets petted I will lay down the powers you have given me!
<mjg>
something tells me you have not watched The Sopranos
<heat>
i've watched like half of the sopranos out of youtube shorts
<heat>
and breaking bad too
<Ermine>
Tbh I turned it off after first 40 minutes
<mjg>
Ermine: OH
<mjg>
it is geuninely i great show
<Ermine>
you great show?
<heat>
checkmate
<heat>
mjg defeated with facts and linguistics
<mjg>
Ermine: YEZ
<Ermine>
XD
<mjg>
i'm sayin, if you are watching tv, like most pople do, sopranos is definitely one of the things to try out
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<mjg>
quality aside, the show is hilarious
<Ermine>
Maybe I should continue watching it...
<Ermine>
Anyway I rarely watch tv
<Ermine>
intro song is cool though
<heat>
the guy who plays tony is dead
<heat>
i hope i ruined it for ya
<Ermine>
F
<zid>
Everybody who has ever watched the sopranos is dying or dead
<mjg>
BOOMER SHOW innit
<Ermine>
Prozac
<mjg>
ya know how there is replication crisis in science
<mjg>
there would be 10 x of that if someone tried out the "cs" results
<zid>
cs papers are just "hey we actually wrote something down for a change!"
<zid>
"I sped up this one program on this one machine by 4%!" "No you can't buy the machine" "Or the program" "Actually we don't even use this machines anymore"
<zid>
"and this software has been replaced so it doesn't need this feature, either"
* Ermine
reads a paper which uses DSGE model
<mjg>
zid: key point is that they are lying
<mjg>
zid: "we hand-selected benchez which show improvement and excluded the ones which show how we suck"
<mjg>
and even the ones which supposedly win, probably don't if you look into it
<Ermine>
You haven't seem how openly DSGEs suck
<mjg>
admittedly no
<mjg>
but i read my share of page et al replacement policy papers
<mjg>
every single one claims it's the best shit ever
<mjg>
and they all suck
<mjg>
well it may happen to be tiny-wfu ultimately does not, that one i did not evaluate yet
<mjg>
"stupid shit i read in CS books and papers" would be a great blog
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<heat>
holy cow
<heat>
how is win95 the best style
<heat>
bad opinions man
<mjg>
genz you were not even born at the time so your opinion is invalid
<mjg>
maybe a general article on dangers of trusting Esteemed Authors
<mjg>
aka "people are notorious for talking out of their ass"
<heat>
shut up millennial
<kof123>
style? i want POWER
<kof123>
may or may not be stylish
<mjg>
heat: respect your elders!
<mjg>
youth today!
<mjg>
hm "people you are looking up to talk out of their ass"?
<mjg>
is this publishable in acm :X
<Ermine>
heat: idk why but I like win9x style. Even though I almost never used win9x in my life.
<mjg>
wait that was serious?
<mjg>
wtf mate
* Ermine
shrugs
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<nortti>
Ermine: do you conceptualize win9x as separate from windows 2000, or are you grouping all post-95 pre-luna UIs as one thing?
<Ermine>
nortti: I'm grouping it together
<nortti>
makes sense
<mjg>
windows 2000 was in the general style but even then it had a distinct look
<Ermine>
Imo win2000 had some differences from winME (and other win9x), but they not very significant
<mjg>
perosnally i liked it
<mjg>
at least one of the settings you could use there, i don't remember if it was the default
<nortti>
I've only really used 95 and 2000, so can't say about the later 9x, but to me they're quite distinct. wouldn't surprise me if a lot of what I think of a 2000 things (gradients in title bars, overall a bit lighter colour scheme) are just general post-95 things or even "you are not running at 16 colours" things
<mjg>
even so, i can't get over how a GUI-oriented system did not have multiple workspaces
<Ermine>
Gradients in title bars were since win98
<Ermine>
I literally have win95, win98, winME and win2000 virtual machines, so I compared them all
<nortti>
nice
<zid>
I always used solid black titlebars so 95 is good enough for me
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<Ermine>
but yeah, win98 and later has richer style
<zid>
I've not been using 'classic theme' for 2-3 weeks now :(
<zid>
after my entire life using it
<nortti>
how come?
<zid>
changed from w7 to w10
<Ermine>
mjg: I've once read in wikipedia that win32 had support for virtual desktops, but it was exposed to users only in win10
<mjg>
wut
<mjg>
that's even weirder
<heat>
i like windows 11's style, then windows 10's style, then probably vista even though it's a bit dated, then 7
<nortti>
I think the windows 10 virtual desktop thing isn't even using win32 virtual desktop
<heat>
all the other ones are IMO pure ass
<nortti>
because it had some annoying limitation
<Ermine>
I installed win11 on my tablet and almost instantly reverted it back to 10
<nortti>
my tablet, a microsoft first-party device introduced 2017, is ineligible for win11 lol
<Ermine>
Everything is annoyingly round in win11
<heat>
yes, i like it
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<Ermine>
I don't
<nortti>
heat: opinions on aqua in early os x (10.0 - 10.4)?
<kof123>
eh..there was 3rd party tray icon thing for win9x at least, for virtual desktops
<kof123>
no idea if it used whatever supposed "present" functionality
<Ermine>
nortti: that system requirements amused me too
<zid>
w11 is w10 but with mandatory DRM hardware so that their software partners, aka netflix, can eventually limit playback to windvine level 3
<heat>
nortti, i'f i'm looking at the right thing, it's ok but ofc a bit dated
<Ermine>
zid: so no drm content on linux?
<nortti>
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20180501-00/?p=98645 ah there, "If the virtual desktop feature had been built out of actual window manager desktop objects, you would be pretty unhappy. Windows in separate window manager desktops cannot interact with each other, so you couldn’t drag from one window to another, or copy/paste between them. A window cannot move between window manager desktops, so
<bslsk05>
devblogs.microsoft.com: Windows 10 virtual desktops are a window management feature, not a security feature - The Old New Thing
<nortti>
you would be stuck with whatever desktop the window originally appeared in."
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<zid>
you can widevine level 1 on linux, thanks to a binary plugin
<zid>
which means no 4k etc
<heat>
I do like macOS's GUI in general, I think it ages pretty well
<heat>
both because they know their shit and apple sets trends most of the time
<Ermine>
nortti: ah well
<kof123>
re: the devblogs link: i would guess the other thing would then simply hide/show windows, because i do not recall being unable to copy/paste
<nortti>
< heat> I do like macOS's GUI in general, I think it ages pretty well ← agreed
<zid>
why does it have
<nortti>
I do think the very early os x was a bit too heavy on bright colours and translucency tho
<zid>
coloured gems that look like mini/maxi/close
<zid>
but that don't do anything
<Ermine>
Imagine engineering thing that turned out to be useless
<zid>
windows 10's 'drag the window border' hit detection is off by a few pixels and it bugs me.
<nortti>
I love this picture, because itunes used to be used as an example of "how not to do os x UI"
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<zid>
I like things that work.
<Ermine>
wow, osx had ie?
<nortti>
aye, it was the official browser on macs for first couple years of os x's life
<zid>
yea osx had ie
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<nortti>
it's not quite the internet explorer you had on windows tho, it's a divergent codebase with its own standards compliant (for the time) rendering engine called tasman
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<Ermine>
more wow
<nortti>
which microsoft never ported to any other platform and kinda just killed off when apple created safari aiui
<nortti>
(sorry for shitty image quality. don't have ie 5 for os x on hand atm, only the os 9 version)
<Ermine>
nortti: afaik apple always has been strict on app style consistency
<nortti>
somewhat
<Ermine>
People, did you hear winNT5 startup sound (not 2000/ME one)?
<nortti>
itunes and quicktime had their own look, and internet explorer 5 for mac actually looked nothing like anything else on the plaform yet (even if it ended up having similarities with aqua)
<bslsk05>
twitter: <jimmyg> 1/ Today marks the twentieth anniversary of the introduction of Microsoft's Internet Explorer 5 for Mac. This was both the most important release of Internet Explorer for the Mac, and the last release. Here are some anecdotes and thoughts from an insider’s perspective. [thread] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENhSBPSX0AEYc3A.jpg
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<geist>
interesting story
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