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<bslsk05> ​collapseos.org: Collapse OS — Bootstrap post-collapse technology
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<kazinsal> heat: doomscrolling-induced psychosis meets osdev. fascinating.
<kazinsal> the guy's manifesto has some seriously questionable stances on covid vaccination
<kazinsal> and about the value of the lives of ukrainian civilians
<kazinsal> definitely doomscrolling induced psychosis.
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<heat> it's hilarious
<heat> it's like an improv prompt
<heat> webdev that thinks civilization will collapse in 2030 develops an operating system in forth for a CPU that's in your TI-84+
<geist> ah yes that guy
<sakasama> He says he never believed in unicorns. :(
<heat> TIL the a53 doesn't even have hypervisor support
<heat> smh
<heat> this sdcard peaks at 4MB/s, speedy
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<geist> heat: not true, actually
<geist> a53 has full EL2 support
<geist> or at least it definitely can. not sure it's an option on the SOC vendor to turn it off
<heat> really? maybe I need a particular CONFIG option for the kernel?
<geist> what board are you using?
<heat> rpi zero 2 w
<geist> that's entirely possible. is this a ras... oh
<heat> but I was running manjaro, not raspbian
<geist> yeah if there *is* a possibility of leaving the feature out, they will do it
<heat> lol
<geist> and/or not config it, also KVM presence also sometimes relies on the capability to nicely virtualize the interrupt controller, timer, etc
<geist> and of course broadcomm (prior to the pi 4) always chooses their own stupid implementation which breaks KVM
<geist> not entirely sure what vintage the zero 2 is, but it's probalby just not supported. not for CPU reasons necessarily
<heat> ah it's a modified rpi 3 chipset I think
<geist> yah that has at the minimum a stupid interrupt controller, and doesn't use the built n timer, which may be enough to basically break KVM
<geist> also possible they just didn't include KVM support in the config. easy enough to verify
<geist> also if the bootloader doesn't start linux in EL2 it wont try to enable KVM
<geist> and since everything is hella bespoke on anything with raspberry in the name...
<heat> I did qemu-... --enable-kvm and it failed basically saying it doesnt have KVM support
<geist> if there's no /dev/kvm yeah
<geist> or you dont have perms for it
<geist> also of course only works for aarch64 qemu, as i'm sre you're aware
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<heat> yep
<heat> anyway now I'm trying to get netbsd to boot with sshd and wireless configured, without having serial
<heat> yay!?
<geist> hrm i can't even get the kernel config for this rpi3 i have floating around
<geist> not compiled in, not in /boot, etc
<geist> ugh. but it also doesn't have kvm for sure
<geist> nothig in dmesg seems to indicate that it did or didn't boot in El2
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<geist> oh hand on a sec, this is even running a 32bit kernel. is yours even got a 64bit build on it?
<heat> yep
<heat> raspbian is 32-bit only, but manjaro does 64 just fine
<klange> There's a 64-bit build of raspbian, it's just not the default.
<heat> ah
<heat> ok turns out I downloaded the wrong latest
<heat> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHhhhhhHHHHhhhhhh
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<geist> you wouldn't have this problem if you were using RUUUUUUUUSSST
<heat> if I ask netbsd people to rewrite it in rust I'll probably get banned
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<kazinsal> do it, I want some RUUUUUUUUUUSSSST on VAAAAAAAAAX
<heat> the netbsd folks look over a very important and historic operating system and do not deserve this kind of trolling
<heat> openbsd however
<heat> LIBRESSL IS WACK, HAVE YOU TRIED TO IMPORT RUSTLS USING CARGO???????'''?'
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<kazinsal> a shameful compiler
<Mutabah> Does llvm support VAX?
<heat> no
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<Ermine> But does gcc suppoty VAX?
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<moon-child> ;)
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<bslsk05> ​www.youtube.com: The Birth of ZFS by Jeff Bonwick - YouTube
<mjg> geist: re some older zfs convo
<mjg> i find it funny that 'tank' is a reference to matrix movie
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<sham1> tank is also the only acceptable name for a zpool, and people can fight me on this
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<johngammerson> hey guys
<johngammerson> what's the equivalent of mov DWORD [edi], ebx in GAS?
<GeDaMo> movl %ebx, (%edi)
<GeDaMo> (Possibly)
<johngammerson> thank you very much
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<GeDaMo> You can get gas to use Intel syntax
<zid> sorta
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<zid> the subtle differences have murdered me once or twice
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* geist yawns
<geist> lovely saturday
* gog hands geist a saturday bagel and coffee
<geist> awww. well just made the coffee
<geist> but alas no bagel
<ghostbuster> in the "info proc map" command of gdb, the Perms column has four permissions.. rwxp - what does p stand for?
<geist> hmm, no idea. privildged? probably not, since it's for a single process
<bslsk05> ​stackoverflow.com: memory - What are the "rwxp" sections in /proc/pid/smaps (linux) - Stack Overflow
<geist> maybe 'private'
<geist> yah
<geist> ie, not a shared mapping
<Ermine> gog: may I give you a saturday petting?
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<gog> yes
* Ermine pets gog the saturday way
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<heat> sup
<heat> so i found out I have covid
<heat> yay?
<Ermine> \o/
<zid> how did you manage that
<Ermine> oh my
<zid> BSD developers can't catch covid
<heat> sorry what
<Ermine> Get better soon
<zid> Their lifestyle grants them immunity I thought
<heat> sorry zid, you're confusing things
<heat> i told you i'm into BDSM***
<heat> Ermine, thanks
* Ermine regrets being lazy to get additional vaccine dose
<zid> I've had.. two? I think? I forget.
<zid> They were doing thirds but you had to be an old person
<zid> I could probably get one if I asked now
<Ermine> booster dose I mean
<heat> totally, they're giving them away like crazy, at least here
<heat> like, no one wants that shit anymore
<heat> "covid? what's that?"
<zid> There's been <3 reported cases here in the past week, but idk how underreported that is
<GeDaMo> I'm up to date as far as I know
<GeDaMo> I can't remember how many I've had :/
<zid> same
<zid> I think it's two though
* Ermine misses the time he didn't have to commute
<heat> in any case I feel totally ok. feels like a cold really
<zid> 151 people only had their second dose yesterday, heh
<heat> i got a fever this evening while trying to install NetBSD
<GeDaMo> Two original jabs and two boosters sounds about right
<zid> you're on 4? geez
<zid> NHS need to send me more emails
<GeDaMo> There's a website
<GeDaMo> I had to make an appointment for the last two myself, I didn't get letters or emails
<Ermine> Want a cool story?
<zid> yea I figured I could ask
<GeDaMo> Also, you may just be able to turn up at a vaccination centre without an appointment
<zid> yea
<zid> if they still have them?
<GeDaMo> I got my last one in November, I've not been paying much attention since :|
<gog> BSD is a known vector for disease'
<gog> the disease of installing BSD
<GeDaMo> What about uninstalling? :|
<heat> holy shit believe me
<heat> that shit was rage inducing
<heat> i know freebsd is a deadend
<heat> cuz they don't support the wifi chip
<Ermine> ^
<zid> gog: You don't get social diseases like URTIs from BSD though
<zid> you get things like bedsores
<Ermine> Apparently wikipedia adds the most shocking pictures possible to pages about diseases
<zid> you wish
<zid> they add really tame pictures usually
<heat> add this to the BSD wikipage
<zid> The BSD reference user.
<Ermine> Well, Average Joes™ see us all as such
<zid> The horrendous part is that's the reference user
<zid> it's the center of the bell curve
<bnchs> Ermine: well, if you think wikipedia adds the most shocking pictures possible to pages about diseases
<bnchs> then wait until you see what happens if you search images of a disease on a search engine
* Ermine trusts bnchs and abstains from googling it
<bnchs> i googled foot injury, and got photos of crash accidents, of feet being grinded ag- welll
<sortie> YoU WOuldn'T ProGRAm A kErnEl
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<gog> i would
<gog> but i have no regard for my own sanity
<heat_> sortie, lets all make an operating system together
<heat_> will work very well i promise
<zid> can I pick the waifus
<heat_> no waifus
<zid> that's an important part of a modern OS
<gog> can i be the waifu
<heat_> yes gog
<zid> you can't leave out the important parts
<bnchs> can i also be the waifu?
<gog> we can both be waifu
<heat_> no
<heat_> one waifu max
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<zid> no SMW?
<gog> let her be a waifu too
<heat> this is a monogamous operating system
<gog> BOOOOOO'
<zid> Like hell am I running an OS in 2023 with no symmetrical multi-waifu
<gog> same
<Ermine> OS-waifu
<gog> waifuOS
<gog> also it already exists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-tan
<bnchs> :<
<zid> heat just doesn't want to compete with sortix
<sortie> It is impossible to compete with me
<heat> hello
<heat> how many cpu core u using???
<bnchs> i don't even know why i joined this channel
<sortie> When anyone somehow gets close to matching the rich abilities of Sortix 1.0, I will drop the long awaited Sortix 1.1 and shame you
<bnchs> my messages have been not so OSDev-related
<sortie> heat, hi, I'd like to install your operating system
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<notheat> hi, i need help figuring out the IDT
<zid> heat did you add usb to onyx yet
<notheat> i tried copypasting from 10 tutorials but it reboots
<zid> duh
<zid> copy paste from 11
<zid> unexpected cool feature of this motherboard
<notheat> what is motherbarod
<zid> there's a stupid glowing heatsink over the VRMs
<gog> my messages are more often not OS-related than they are
<zid> but it makes plugging usb cables in really easy because it all leaks out the i/o shield
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<heat> hi
<sortie> heat, hi, I have an installation of your OS, how do I upgrade to the latest version without losing my data?
<bnchs> today i feel too lazy to rewrite my memory management system
<bnchs> i am a big dumbass for writing the worst system
<heat> sortie, you just do, it's rolling release baby
<heat> no versions
<heat> who needs a complicated system upgrade scheme? i sure as hell dont
<heat> package go brrrr
<zid> heat I am rusty as fuck at le tet :(
<sortie> heat, you just reinstall on top of your installation, is that what you mean?
<zid> copy new kernel.bin done
<zid> same as linux
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