<jimbzy>
Dang. sat in the recline to 'rest my eyes' and nodded off :P
<heat>
happy new year mofos
<kaichiuchi>
it's not time yet
<kaichiuchi>
5 hours
<heat>
lmao
<heat>
imagine living in not GMT/BST
<heat>
couldn't be me
<pogchamp>
happy new year
<sortie>
happy new year (UTC) :D
<pogchamp>
happy new year heat
<pogchamp>
happy new year zid
<kaichiuchi>
new years present: a house
<pogchamp>
happy new year sortie
<sortie>
Year of the Sortix desktop
<pogchamp>
yes
<pogchamp>
tranglix
<sortie>
TRIANGLIX
<sortie>
TRIANGLIXXXXXXXXXxxxx
<sortie>
Those were the days
<sham1>
Happy new ear to all
<sortie>
pogchamp, fun fact it literally still ships in Sortix
<pogchamp>
nicec
<sham1>
I hope this year will be less hectic and I'll be able to actually do recreational programming of any kind
<sham1>
Both university and work took away all the time I could have put into programming, and because work is also programming… I certainly hope this year will be better
<kaichiuchi>
i hope to be happy with something I write and not get into an rm -rf loop constantly
<heat>
you sure?
<heat>
how is that std::function coming along
<kaichiuchi>
don't need it right this second
<kaichiuchi>
I can't use cringeharold but picture it
<kaichiuchi>
I'm serious, I need to be happy with stuff I write
<jimbzy>
heat, So you're a time traveler? ;)
<heat>
kaichiuchi, there you have it
<kaichiuchi>
thanks
<heat>
jimbzy, im one of those commies in europe
<epony>
are you sure?
<epony>
by the looks of it you're a fascie
<jimbzy>
Apparently, I'm one of those commies here in the US.
<epony>
are you sure ;-)
<epony>
looks like you have a mountain of weight
<heat>
oh no
<heat>
someone call senator mccarthy!
<epony>
you do not have senators in a society of commons
<epony>
call the spririt of manitu instead if you want to
* epony
shoots an arrow in the cyclope eye of imperialism
<epony>
you have really no idea
<jimbzy>
True story. I was repairing a cooler at a tavern in the middle of nowhere on Thursday and the people at the bar were talking about how a free 'Murica shouldn't allow people to move from state to state without authorization...
<epony>
tapping into older forms of governance
<epony>
(territorial-feodalites)
<epony>
all problems are solvable ;-)
<epony>
especially the artificially created false ones
<mrvn>
no way. you where drinking during workhours pretending to repair a cooler I'm sure. I mean, calibrating the temperature of the beer cooler.
<jimbzy>
I disrupted their conversation by discharging the motor capacitor using a screwdriver. XD
<jimbzy>
It wasn't a beer cooler, it was a soda cooler.
<mrvn>
less fun
<epony>
you can have a beer too
<sham1>
I would imagine that a soda cooler could also be used for beer
<epony>
sure
<sham1>
It's not like it looks at its content, sees that it's beer and refuses to work
<jimbzy>
It's technically against the loan policy, but I'm sure it happens.
<sham1>
Ah
<jimbzy>
We own the equipment to businesses and provide them with product.
<jimbzy>
loan. Damn brain no workie.
<sham1>
Technical possibility Vs contractual possibility
<epony>
we own our production facilities
<geist>
heat: hows PCI workin?
<epony>
slightly different than PCIe
<heat>
geist, i haven't written codes yet, I've spent the day picking #coreboot's brains for some answers RE: ACPI and doing this on PC
<jimbzy>
We have a few service contracts with businesses that have the competitors product, too. If it cools, dispenses or makes ice we work on it.
<geist>
heat: nice, ie You Did OSDEV
<sham1>
Ah yes, multiple codes
<epony>
jimbzy, you're cool
<heat>
all of the codes
<epony>
but who's making the beer ;-)
<jimbzy>
Not really, but the product is when I'm done ;)
<epony>
the difference between beer and other "beverages" is the longevity of the consumer (you have lifelong followers)
<jimbzy>
I don't mess with the beer equipment unless it's something super simple, like a like in a CO2 line.
<epony>
the delivery mechanisms change and get zapped and rebuilt by the decade
<epony>
the fundamental principles remain in "the production" cycle
<jimbzy>
You'd be surprised, epony. If I'm working on a fountain and a customer's flavor is out of order they'll usually just walk away instead of getting something else.
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<jimbzy>
Or grab a bottle or can from a cooler.
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<epony>
you can have fun
<epony>
but it's a "relatively simple" process
<jimbzy>
What is?
<epony>
compared to the programmable semiconductor complex circuitry with high level of integration, it's really fun and megafun
<epony>
different classes of "technology"
<epony>
it's not that different in the piperwork and cooling
<epony>
but conceptually different in the central energeting exchange technology
<epony>
"energetic"
<jimbzy>
Oh, yeah it's pretty simple and repetitive.
<epony>
that's why it's so "liked"
<epony>
because it's consistent and reliable
<epony>
these propreties and strives can be carried over, they are not unique, they are appealing and important
<jimbzy>
It's oddly satisfying, too. I like walking into a busy restaurant and being able to get them back up and running.
<jimbzy>
It's not great when a live valve goes and I get sprayed with sugar water, but there are worse things in life.
<epony>
spoil the temperature and you get some barrels getting refurbished
<epony>
these are environmental conditions
<epony>
but the culture process happening in beer fermentation is relatively simple and predictable
<mrvn>
isn't that all syrup and plain water?
<epony>
in semiconductors it's a lot more complex, you have to have a public of "taking all the shit there is to it" like consumer resellers pour
<jimbzy>
mrvn, Yep.
<jimbzy>
5 parts syrup to 1 part carbonated water usually.
<epony>
in that regard, consumer electronics resellers are your best friend when all your production is getting spoiled with accidents and incidents
<mrvn>
oh, would have thought it would be the other way around. Saving 1/6th the volume doesdn't sound like it saves much
<jimbzy>
You're right. I'm still half asleep here. Got some coffee brewing.
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<epony>
get a couple of hours of rest
<epony>
if you need it, take it
<epony>
you have my permission
<jimbzy>
It's not even 7pm here.
<mrvn>
Getting close to 2am and the noise has stopped.
<epony>
nice
<epony>
you can now drink a bit and walk the funny walk on the stairs
<bslsk05>
'I feel good prank sound | tiktok compilation' by Randon Channel 2030 (00:14:17)
<mrvn>
much more happy
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<pogchamp>
meow
<vai>
mrvn: yeah listened to it
<vai>
I like it
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<kaichiuchi>
hi
<sham1>
New year, new me
<pogchamp>
i'm the same
<sham1>
While it's very much a cliché, there's certainly something to be said about trying to turn a year to the better
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<kaichiuchi>
year++;
<FireFly>
add 1 to year giving year
<sham1>
year += 1;
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<clever>
year++;
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<kof123>
<ziid ghost from backlog " the correct number of hours"> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtY1wCvIbno </ghost ziid> "don't even think about jumping between buildings!"
<bslsk05>
'5-11 bLiNd - Slam Shufflin' (Slam Shuffle)' by cletus223 (00:05:20)
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<kaichiuchi>
I'm really thinking about giving gentoo a try (on VM)
<zid>
well, see you in 20 minutes when you're done installing it then?
<kaichiuchi>
is it really only a 20 minute process
<kaichiuchi>
I don't believe that
<zid>
yea it's literally just untarring stage3 to your install media from a livecd and you're technically done
<zid>
the rest is just.. configuring
<zid>
i.e if you want it to boot from grub, configuring grub. If you want your clock set, setting your clock, etc.
<zid>
rather than it just being a wizard that asks you some basic questions
<zid>
s/i.e/e.g/
<kaichiuchi>
hm
<kaichiuchi>
so far it works fine
<zid>
did you remember to run irssi from the installer and do everything through /exec -o
<zid>
like a proper gentoo user
<kaichiuchi>
no
<zid>
smh
<zid>
gemtoo users
<zid>
Now the fun part begins, anyway
<zid>
setting up things in /etc/conf.d/, emerge lsof pciutils vim xfce4-meta bc nmap etc
<kaichiuchi>
you use gentoo and I think you're insane
<zid>
DuNpv are the flags you want for emerge
<kaichiuchi>
but there's something nice about -mtune=native -march=native everywhere
<zid>
(deep dependancy checks, updates, new use flags, pretend, verbose)
<zid>
it'll give you a list of every package it wants to pull it, which use flags are set for each, etc
<zid>
tweak, run again until happy, remove p
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<zid>
If you remember to install everything before your first reboot such that you don't need to re-mount your system from the livecd you did well
<zid>
I always forget something crucial, like dhcpcd
<epony>
that's from the method of "installation" because you're accustomed to all-in-one distributions which you have to then "explore" and "configure" that discovery system understandign is missing
<epony>
if you're not dealing with "manually" getting to find out and configure / setup services you need
<epony>
when it's all intalled and toggled on / unconfigured, it's hard to get to know whch is what, why that particular choice is made, is there a better variant or even what its purpose are
<epony>
so you're confronted with the "windows approach" to tweaking "services" which basically sucks and blows at the same time
<epony>
both for discovery and reliable / consistent understanding and setup
<epony>
and thus people fail to learn protocols and services and their applied use, and get easy mixed up / forgetting things
<epony>
the control panel in graphical systems is the "convenient" but "weak" and "problematic" way to setup things
<epony>
the understanding into the mechanics and actual events / details happening is missing, does not connect protocol with tunables with service / importance and there is no correlation in the person / operator what is actually happening where on the system
<kaichiuchi>
i can promise you this
<kaichiuchi>
98% of people on this planet don't give two shits
<kaichiuchi>
they want it to work, and so do I
<kaichiuchi>
if you have to fiddle with 829374982893479 different things to make something work, it's fundamentally a bad system
<kaichiuchi>
but this is the way of the world
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<heat>
B
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<jimbzy>
Happy Gnu Year!
<geist>
zid: hmm, wonder if it's tsill documented how to build from stage 1
<geist>
i used to enjoy doing that
<geist>
also... yawn
<jimbzy>
I hear that.
<geist>
forced myself to get up a bit earlier today and will again tomorrow
<geist>
to try to reset schedule. going to be sleepy. hate being sleepy
<jimbzy>
Switching from nights to days, or just been keeping strange hours?
<geist>
mostly just 'strange hours'
<jimbzy>
It happens. I went from working 10pm-6am to 7am to 3pm, and in a few months I'll be working 12pm to 8pm, so I don't know what day it is anymore. :p
<jimbzy>
It sucks being off schedule, too.
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<geist>
yeah it's not quite that strange, just need to pull it in 3 or 4 hours
<jimbzy>
Right on.
<jimbzy>
It's even weirder for me because my kid has been off school for a bit.
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<jimbzy>
Today, I'm doing laundry and watching a YouTube series on building a multi-band superhetrodye receiver for HF.
<jimbzy>
I thought about doing a direct-conversion receiver, but I figure if I'm going to build something I might as well build something nice. This one uses an Arduino Nano and an AD9850 direct digital synthesizer for the VFO signal.
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<geist>
yeah kinda my day too, minus the radio
<geist>
laundry, cleanig up the house, etc
<pogchamp>
nya
<jimbzy>
Yeah, doing some of that stuff, too. I'm off tomorrow, too, and I plan on redoing the caulking in the master bathroom. I got all the old stuff taken out, and it hasn't been used in a couple of days so it should be nice and dry.
<pogchamp>
i'm trying to take it easy i'm not well
<jimbzy>
Sorry to hear that, pogchamp :(
<pogchamp>
yeah idk what the deal is. i'm gonna go get checked out tomorrow
<jimbzy>
Funky bugs going around this winter. I caught the flu a few weeks ago and I still don't feel right.
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<heat>
how do you assemble a true device tree of things in the kernel?
<heat>
assuming a bus-type - bus - device kind of device model like liux
<heat>
linux*
<heat>
the problem being that the same physical device can be replicated in multiple buses - think ACPI
<heat>
also, another problem - if a device is described by PCI and ACPI, what mechanism do you use for power management, etc?
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