<heat>
i'm still at a point where my mind sometimes fills in the silence with hard drive noises, it's a bit freaky
<j`ey>
heat: welcome to the 21st century!
<heat>
you mean 2010's? :D
<heat>
with my upgrade to windows 11 my 5400rpm drive needed a whole hour to fully boot, it was crazy. my 870 evo takes 1min
<josuah>
I am often surprised by how I/O lattency affects overhaul operating system speed
<heat>
a system is only as fast as its slowest component
<junon>
usually the user.
<josuah>
s/overhaul/overall/ :)
<heat>
in this case, a shitty noisy 5400rpm mechanical drive
<josuah>
junon: haha maybe
<heat>
junon, nah I was faster than that thing :D
<junon>
wow you must be fast
<junon>
I spin 120, maybe 130 rpm
<junon>
and that's when I care, which is rarely
<junon>
:D
<heat>
:D
<sortie>
:D
<heat>
seriously though, that thing was crazy slow. I still think it was broken even though SMART said everything was ok
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<zid>
maybe it was shingled?
<geist>
yah i also suspect that windows and whatnot in the last 10 years or so has just grown to assume there's an SSD
<zid>
yea that also wouldn't surprise me
<geist>
the amount of pure random stuff that has to be loaded in at boot nowadays...
<zid>
windows install is probably like 200k files now
<zid>
which hdds hate
<mjg>
:)
<geist>
things like how windows moved all the services out to separate processes, etc
<geist>
sooo many things to demand fault in, all in parallel
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<heat>
yes but it reached a point where sometimes I could very much notice grub loading linux
<heat>
other times it was almost instant
<heat>
hardware failure + windows assuming ssd wouldn't surprise me
<zid>
that's what you get for buying a shingled drive
<zid>
(this is a wild speculation)
<heat>
I only now learned what a shingled drive is but I don't think it's one of those
<heat>
just a bad, 5400rpm mobile hdd
<j`ey>
and old
<zid>
yea 5400 + 2.5 = slooow
<zid>
modern hdds aren't really any faster than my 1TB black from 2007
<zid>
so in the modern era, a slow hdd is *slow*
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<Arsen>
huh, windows-assuming ssd?
<zid>
as in
<zid>
performance is known to suck without
<junon>
> windows-assuming ssd
<junon>
sounds like an insult
<zid>
Did you just assume my ssd
<junon>
Eat rocks you windows-assuming SSD
<junon>
HAH
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<Ermine>
Windows-assuming ssd?
<Arsen>
zid: I'm unsure how they'd even do that
<heat>
my ssd is definitely not linux-assuming I'll tell you that lol
<Ermine>
This can explain why firefox in windows launches instantly, unlike firefox on linux
<heat>
NCQ and queued trim are force disabled because of a bug
<heat>
in fact, samsung's whole line of SSDs have these bugs
<Ermine>
Do they even try to fix them?
<heat>
*shrug* maybe it's not fixable in firmware
<Arsen>
I doubt samsung cares about fixing them
<heat>
it's not linux specific I think, but rather that linux started hitting the bug because the other systems didn't do $stuff
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<Ermine>
Like continuous trim?
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<klange>
If I use multiboot2, grub-efi gives me the info I need to find the APIC tables on my Surface, so I can boot with all the cores into a useless full-resolution desktop, no extra command line parameters to pass table addresses necessary. Now if only I could summon the will to finish this xhci and HID stack, I'd be able to actually _use_ this thing...