<kingoffrance>
esp. if you put it inside a briefcase
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<kazinsal>
klange: You are the only person I know whose resume has a BSD license as a section :P
<klange>
It's an NCSA/University of Illinois license :P
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<klange>
I should a roll a new beta, it's been nearly a month since 1.99.7 and a lot's gone in. There's still too much blocking 2.0 to hold out for it...
* klange
marks tag and push
<klange>
Now we just sit and wait for CI build to finish and post the draft with the changelog, download the release build, and grab a screenshot...
<zid>
while you're waiting, write a script to do all that ;)
<klange>
The only remaining non-automated things are not scriptable.
<klange>
The screenshots are tailored to demonstrate new features, and I'm not going to bother automating downloading the release build - I just click the attachment when the release draft is available.
<geist>
are you doing a CI build on github or on one of your machines?
<geist>
curious if you do it using an action where you put the results
<klange>
Github
<geist>
push the result to your server?
<klange>
Nope, just attaches to a release in Github.
<klange>
Any tag build produces a draft release.
<klange>
Includes a changelog from the last tag and a boilerplate template with a spot to put a screenshot and prose description of changes.
<geist>
nice
<klange>
My CI setup runs under a docker image that has the GCC/binutils toolchain pre-built. Takes about two to three minutes to download that and build everything. That happens for all commits, and the resulting CD is available as an artifact.
<geist>
huh. i thought i had this on a long time ago, but i just re-discovered -Wmissing-declarations
<geist>
already found quite a few places where something wasn't matching up with the header
<klange>
That's the one that requires a declaration for all non-static functions before their definition?
<geist>
yes
<geist>
otherwise it's fairly easy to int foo(int) in a header and int foo() in a file and never notice that they dont match
<geist>
as i'm finding right now. i swear i had this on a long time ago, but probably lost the switch, or it got broken out in some refactor
<geist>
or was too annoying and turned it off
<klange>
I think I've got far too many places at the moment where I don't bother marking something static even if it's not really part of an API used by other compilation units.
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<geist>
also that is most of the warnings i'm fixing
<kazinsal>
yeah I need to clean that up as well
<kazinsal>
I should put myself together a todo list
<kazinsal>
in order of importance
<klange>
My TODO list ends up being the list of thigns I avoid doing.
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<geist>
yaht hat's true
<geist>
i literally just fixed a bug that was filed like 3 years ago
<geist>
and was trivial
<geist>
but then it was also a trivial bug, which made me mostly ignore it
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<kazinsal>
"With this PCIe card, you can add a 10/100/1000/25000 Mbps Ethernet port to any PC through a PCIe slot." Hmm, I think that might be one too many zeroes...
<Mutabah>
Ooh, 25 gigglebit
<kazinsal>
Does make me think though, even with my job involving big chunky networking boxes, I've never actually seen 25GBASE-T
<kazinsal>
Plenty of 10GBASE-T and 25GBASE-SR and other higher bandwidth fibre connections, but no 25GbE over Cat8
<Griwes>
okay, managed to get my build system to be able to build unit tests in a (somewhat) reasonable fashion
<Griwes>
now the hard part, i.e. actually writing some :'D
<klange>
At some point in the past I had all sorts of test harness stuff set up.
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<klange>
These days I just add a kuroko script as an additional multiboot module and set `root=/dev/ram1` :D
<klange>
Not exactly unit tests, but gives me a kernel with nothing else running.
<klange>
Where is that dang snake... I'll have to poke its wrangler.
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<klange>
yay
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<Griwes>
klange: oh yeah I'll eventually do _something_ like that, for what I'd probably call integration tests
<Griwes>
but I'm getting to the point where I need multiple non-trivial generic datastructures and I'd rather have tests that actually tell me which part is broken without needing to debug the kernel :P
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<warlock>
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<eryjus>
rubber ducking with doxygen is proving to me more fruitful than i expected.
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<klange>
How does one rubber duck with doxygen? Reading your own docs?
<Mondenkind>
writing them, I would guess. 'My system works like--hmm, how _does_ my system work?'
<klange>
I spent a lot of time on the docs for my programming language.
<eryjus>
"wait, is that what I did? what the heck was I thinking?"
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<sonny>
Can a garbage collector be implemented as a special interface / program for compilers?
<sonny>
... or is the problem always, the os has no idea what to collect?
<klange>
Garbage collection has nothing to do with OSes.
<sonny>
OSes manage memory ... it's not a far stretch
<klange>
Garbage collection actually has very little to do with managing memory, even.
<klange>
Garbage collection is about finding things you reference somewhere.
<klange>
The OS has no clue about your datastructures and how they reference each other.
<junon>
It's also an entirely opinionated design decision to use a GC. Not every program wants, needs or even benefits from it.
<junon>
So to generalize it at the OS level, even if practical, would be locking in a bunch of people to your design philosophy.
<sonny>
yeah, that's the idea
<junon>
It's not practical though. That's klange's point.
<klange>
Concepts like this have been tried, and while forums and Hacker News comment sections may be full of reminiscent gray beards pining for those days to return, they've all gone the way of the dodo.
<junon>
^
<sonny>
ok
<junon>
FWIW it's useful to consider these things as mental exercises. I don't think anyone here would disagree there are learning opportunities when applying such things to OS design theory. But we're at a point now where novel ideas and applications of things are far and few in between.
<sonny>
I'm still thinking about it, I disagree though, because we keep getting new hacks instead of refined concepts
<sonny>
with the novel ideas bit*
<junon>
That's a pretty nebulous statement. Can you give an example?
<klange>
Turns out hacks are what make the world go round.
<klange>
I think if there's one lesson to be learned from decades of operating systems research, it's that dumb, simple solutions actually tend to be worthwhile ones, and the market doesn't give a shit about how refined your concept is.
<junon>
Or clever.
<junon>
Nobody cares about clever. They care about useful.
<klange>
I think this beautifully exemplified by the weeks of time my OS course in uni spent talking about scheduler design, and how much time textbooks on the subject devote to it, but you know what turns out to be really good for general-purpose computing? Round robin.