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<klange> Finally moved my BIOS loader's disk reads back to "after the menu" with a real mode thunk. Dodgy minimal one, but it seems to do the job across the 4 VMs I regularly test in, so good enough for me.
<klange> Also pushed my still-kinda-in-progress early logging changes, which I think make everything feel more real.
<zid> If you want your OS to feel really really, add a 5ms pause to kprint
<junon> really really
<zid> really (very) really (real-ish)
<zid> :P
<junon> :D
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<vai> hi all
<sortie> Hi vai
<dzwdz> hai
<gog> hi
<junon> henlo
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<geist> neat. yeah i think early logging and watching bootup messages to a kernel somehow makes it more real to me
<geist> maybe it's because i grew up on DOS and linux
<geist> i was always dissapointed that kernels like solaris, darwin, and NT dont' spew pages of text. at best they just throw up a copyright banner and then sit there
<j`ey> i enjoy the text spam too
<clever> only in safemode can you get that kind of logging from modern windows
<clever> and its not that verbose, i think it logs AFTER a module is loaded, so if a module fails, youll wrongly place the blame on the one that loads before it
<clever> systemd's overly verbose starting + started makes it much more clear what is happening
<zid> windows takes ages to start though, gives you a feel it's doing something!
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<geist> at least in the old days you could hear it wail on the disk (or not) as a sign of progress
<geist> when it stopped you knew you were in trouble
<kingoffrance> round and round the circular log buffer goes, where it stops, nobody knows?
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