00:48 <SiFuh> bountyht: The reason I have a separate swap is because I want all data in swap lost every reboot. It gets encrypted urandomnly every boot

08:56 <bountyht> SiFuh: That pretty much discard hibernation :-)

09:20 <SiFuh_> bountyht: I don't use hibernation

09:50 <bountyht> Good news is I managed to install and boot this thing

09:50 <bountyht> \o/ But really Dracut seems a monstruosity to me

09:51 <SiFuh> What would you use?

09:52 <bountyht> I personally prefer Slackware's implementation of mkinitrd

09:52 <bountyht> The drawback is it hardcodes everything in it

09:52 <bountyht> So the initramfs is not exactly portable

09:53 <bountyht> Tinyramfs looks nice but it has no docs and you have to figure out how it works by reading its code heh

11:00 <bountyht> BTW the website looks down

13:17 <braewoods> bountyht: nope, that's just the next revolution of the user experience. absolutely nothing.

13:18 <braewoods> :P

13:56 <bountyht> The next step in minimalism :-)

14:12 <frinnst> aaaaawe this crazy lovely man died In all programs of the fork that send SCSI commands, you may be unable to access any of the CD/DVD/Blu-Ray drives at all if you are on Linux-2.6.8.1 or later. This is due to a missing workaround for the Linux kernel interface change that happened with Linux-2.6.8.1.

14:12 <frinnst> In the cdrecord clone from the fork, messages have been removed that would warn you in case that you are not running cdrecord as root. As some of the SCSI commands used by cdrecord need root privileges, cdrecord may fail later with strange problems because of this hack. Note that cdrecord supports (and needs to support) many vendor unique features of drives (e.g. for optimized writing of CDs and DVDs).

14:12 <frinnst> Linux filters away all vendor specific SCSI commands in case the program that sends them does not have root privileges. There are other non vendor unique commands that are filtered also.

14:12 <frinnst> The mature DVD support from the original cdrecord (that exists since February 1998) has been ripped off and replaced by something of very poor quality. The replacement code misses key features (like -atip extraction and printout). As a result the DVD code in the fork is not correctly parameterized.

14:12 <frinnst> fuck, thats not the paste i was expecting..

14:12 <frinnst> http://cdrtools.sourceforge.net/private/index.html

14:12 <frinnst> Anyways, RIP Joerg

14:13 <jaeger> yeah, that's a bummer

14:28 <braewoods> my eyes, it's too 90s

14:28 <bountyht> braewoods: If it is too modern to you I suggest you to switch back ot BBSs

14:29 <frinnst> I still have a floppy with my /X user-data backup from my ami-express bbs

14:29 <bountyht> I wonder if it is still magnetized

14:29 <bountyht> Floppies return to a virgin state quite quickly

14:30 <frinnst> it is, read it when I bought these babies a few years ago: https://auctionet.com/sv/527044-datorer-retro-amigor-amiga-4000

14:30 <frinnst> also have an ncomm backup filled with passwords and phone numbers :D

14:43 <pedja> perhaps even longer

14:54 <bountyht> Ok so website now has outdated doc for outdated releases. What happened to the server?

14:59 <pedja> what website? crux.nu is blank here

15:00 <bountyht> Exactly

15:03 <bountyht> Actually if you search for CRUX's handbook from startpage or duckduckgo it leads you to the docs site which only has outdated stuff

15:03 <bountyht> under ctux.nu/doc

15:03 <bountyht> crux*

16:52 <Guest45> hi. sorry for interrupting, but it seems like crux nu is down. I wanted to try this distro out, but it's likely impossible due to the reason. How much does it take to wait for site to be up?

16:59 <bountyht> NIce question. It has been down since this morning

16:59 <bountyht> You can get the updated is from an unofficial source (which is up afaik) if you are into trying it

17:03 <Guest45> thx for advice. Actually I've already got system installed, but I feel kinda bad due to lack of documentation. Also crux z3bra org is down. So I assume I cannot install ports

17:05 <bountyht> Yeah, it is the same here. I am just getting started for experimenting :-)

17:09 <Guest45> Difficulties started from the moment I decided to install crux. Couldn't compile the kernel and stuff. No docs now. But this is still interesting u know

17:10 <bountyht> Well, for the kernel I just cloned the kernel config from another distro

17:10 <bountyht> Sourced based distros are not exactly easy to get started with

17:10 <Guest45> Dont wanna give up now. Wish you the same

17:11 <bountyht> I hit a small bump because the default isos don t come with support for creating initramfs', which happen to be necessary if you want to set full disk encryption

17:11 <Guest45> Yes they are not. But it's so much cool, isn't it

17:12 <bountyht> Now I'd like to test hibernation against encrypted swap :-)

17:12 <Guest45> Good luck tho

17:12 <bountyht> At the risk of sounding like a fanboi (because I am always brining the matter) I think BSDs are great in that regard because you get a stable core and then you can build from ports on top of it

17:13 <bountyht> So it is easy oto get starte yet quite flexible

17:13 <bountyht> Argh typos

17:14 <Guest45> BSDs are so much monolithic than linux'es

17:14 <bountyht> Yes

17:14 <bountyht> Hmm it looks like m-utils is not suported out of the box

17:15 <Guest45> "not supported" is lesser evil

17:17 <Guest45> when would it stop somebody

17:22 <bountyht> lol. Well it is in contrib. NOw the bad news is the computer I am testing on is so junky it is gtaking ages to go to sleep then wake up

17:22 <bountyht> But I ut it together from 50 bucks worth of pieces so

17:25 <Guest45> There is some charm in using old hardware

17:25 <Guest45> Not in my powers to describe it, but feels kinda it

17:26 <bountyht> The charm is being able to afford it lol

17:26 <Guest45> Your truth

17:27 <jaeger> It's just the php/wiki parts of the website that are hosed right now, will look at it when I can. ports should still work. z3bra.org is unrelated.

17:28 <Guest45> It's just index page that don't work crux nu/doc/ seems tto be ok

17:28 <jaeger> I didn't even know that /doc folder existed, that's not useful, heh

17:30 <Guest45> Why it's not useful?

17:33 <bountyht> outdated

17:34 <Guest45> Oh I see

17:42 <bountyht> GUys, I want to report that resuming from encrypted swap is viable via Dracut

17:42 <bountyht> NOw if startx worked it would be awesome

18:16 <jaeger48> is documentation on crux.nu down?

18:17 <jaeger> The web server is a bit hosed right now, working on it

18:18 <jaeger48> yeah, the problem isn't homepage but others

18:21 <jaeger48> well nvm, with archive.org it works

19:06 <Guest45> crux nu works, congrats. thank you all guys. it was great pleasure to meet you all

19:12 <bountyht> What was the problem with the sever? Just curious

20:10 <braewoods> bountyht: PHP errors. run of the mill crap.

23:00 <nggit1> crux.nu has never been polished/updated. sadly people think crux is not a popular distro and a potential distro because of this. 🤣

23:01 <nggit1> s/distro//

23:33 <SiFuh> :-/

23:33 <SiFuh> It is being, just taking time

23:36 <SiFuh> You'll see unicorns and fairies

23:50 <bountyht> nggit1: Well Slackware also gets a lot of crap because they do PR very badly too :-)

23:59 <jaeger> dracut has been moved to opt. There was no email because I temporarily filled the disk on the server while working on php garbage