<ppetrov^>
hmm,... would be nice if pkgmk puts a temporary tag while creating a package, such as fiji#20250415_1717-1.pkg.tar.xz.tmp, which then gets renamed to fiji#20250415_1717-1.pkg.tar.xz upon completion. Seems I had killed a package creation midway and then when I wanted to upgrade said package, pkgadd would fail because of the broken archive
<ppetrov^>
or i should be more careful :P
<SiFuh_>
Why are the Democrats so interested in Kilmar Abrego Garcia. Why that one man? What are they hiding?
<farkuhar>
Good question, SiFuh_. It's not as if he was the only prisoner on the plane, so why is he more deserving of media attention than all the others?
<farkuhar>
ppetrov^: Heh, at least you're not trying to set PKGMK_COMPRESSION_MODE="lz". For some reason the recent builds of bsdtar are not supporting the flag --lzip. But bsdtar isn't throwing errors at the unrecognized flag, either, so you get a tarball with absolutely no compression (and a misleading filename).
<farkuhar>
I probably should git clone that libarchive repo to search for the missing function archive_write_add_filter_lzip, rather than trying to navigate the web interface on Github.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Are you in the correct channel farkuhar? Hahaha
<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: I'm in the channel where ppetrov^ made a suggestion about the package creation step during pkgmk. Apparently it isn't atomic enough for him, and an interrupted bsdtar process led to a broken archive.
<farkuhar>
If ppetrov^ would just face up to his fears and drop these comments in #crux or #crux-devel, we could take our serious chatter over there. But ppetrov^ prefers to remain in the social channel, so that's where I'll respond.
<SiFuh_>
HAHAHA
<ukky>
Anyone changed sector size from 512e to 4K on SATA/SAS HDD?
<SiFuh_>
No but why would anyone do such a thing?
<SiFuh_>
Probably would show something like unsupported sector size in dmesg anyway
<ukky>
Some ISOs have sector size of 8K and still your OS does not crash because sector size is not 512 bytes.
<SiFuh_>
That's not relevant to begin with but 512e just emulates 512
<ukky>
I know what 512e is
<SiFuh_>
Well ISO images do not really have a real disk sector size, it's just how the data is logically organized
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Have you actually done it by the way? Changed to 4K? Would be interesting to see how it handles
<ukky>
That's what I am gonna do, eventually.
<ukky>
HDD arrives today (4 TB).
<SiFuh_>
I have a few drives laying around. I could always try it. SATA but SAS
<SiFuh_>
but not*
<ukky>
You have to be rich to have SAS with 512e/4kn sectors.
<ukky>
My largest SAS is 500 GB
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Only SAS I have is a LTO5 tape drive.
<SiFuh_>
And sadly that is still in Australia in a Pelican case and I hope it still works.
<ukky>
Some SAS disks also have 512e sector sizes, but those should be very expensive. I will test this feature on SATA HDD with 512e sectors.
<ukky>
disklabel on NetBSD supports maximum 2 TB with 512 sectors. With 4K sectors disklabel can handle 16 TB.
<SiFuh_>
OpenBSD's FFS2 can support filesystems up to 1 exabyte in size.. but that also depends on the sector
<SiFuh_>
Pretty sure it was 4K sector
<SiFuh_>
Looks like NetBSD and FreeBSD support it too
<ukky>
FFSv2 uses 64-bit block addressing. disklabel is limited to 32-bit addressing. And I need to use disklabel.
<ukky>
Without full disk encryption, I could use GPT with 512e sectors and FFS2 on 4 TB disk without an issue on NetBSD.
<ukky>
Of course, I could split 4 TB disk onto two 2T partitions and encrypt both separately, but that would look weird.
<ppetrov^>
"face up to his fears" <- it was a stupid suggestion on my part, i was just thinking out loud
<SiFuh_>
"face up to his fears" <- it was a stupid suggestion/assumption on his part?
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: Did you mean you or farkuhar?
<SiFuh_>
Oh I should have said 'farkuhar or you'
<ppetrov^>
me
<SiFuh_>
Okay
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: I was always taught if you are talking to someone you must refer to them first before yourself. If you referring to another person that isn't there or is but you are not talking them then they go first, then the person you talk to then yourself. But I have seen a lot of people putting themselves first these days.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I think today I will start drilling. It is through concrete and quartz. Problem is, at 14:00 I will also go to the photo shop to get a passport photo so that my interupt my plans.
<SiFuh_>
And I also have tiles to drill as well. I want to bolt on D-Shackles to the wall so I can lift and hang my roof top tent for easy removal and installation.
<ukky>
You think passport photo with a hammer drill on you would not be accepted?
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Funny, you must know what a human looks like after drilling concrete
<SiFuh_>
ukky: That would be awesome. Hammer drill in a US passport photo.
<ukky>
That would be my second question: or you think concrete dust would distort your face?
<SiFuh_>
ukky: No it means, I get lost in my work and then will end up with a short time to get ready
<ukky>
You just have to decide what is more important to you
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I'd be drilling away like a god with dust everywhere and a dog coughing it's lungs up and the wife would pull up and ask me "Are you ready?" "What? What for?... Oh fuck" Hahaha
<ukky>
Haha
<ukky>
I can totally imagine you doing that
<SiFuh_>
That is actually how most events happen here.
<SiFuh_>
I have a black and decker 1/2" but I requested a proper drill. Suppose to arrive 5 days ago. Then 2 days after. Now it will be sometime next week.
<ukky>
Oh, that.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I do have impact bits though. And Milwaukee impact drivers. So I may have to tweak them to do the drilling. But I will try with the black and decker first.
<ukky>
I thought you have a drill problem as you might never have enough different kind of drills in your tool box
<SiFuh_>
Th Black and decker has hammer function. This concrete is old so it is quite hard.
<SiFuh_>
I have one shitty 1/2" drill
<ukky>
You cannot use impact drill bits for regular drilling (zorzing)
<SiFuh_>
I need a real drill
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Actually you can. They just don't shine as well.
<ukky>
I can drill granite with my drill/bits
<SiFuh_>
I also have concrete, glass, tile, drill bits for regular drills.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: And I will sacrifice them first :-P
<ukky>
You can do many things with impact drill bits, but... Proper tools are the best
<SiFuh_>
The mason bits (concrete)
<SiFuh_>
I have 3 impact drivers. But I need to check my adapters
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Just for the record, incase others are reading. Impact and Hammer are not the same.
<ukky>
No, for me impact drill bits are sacred. I can destroy regular bits anytime, but impact bits.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I have a full set of Impact bits. They almost never get used. Sacred is the word I'd use too
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I have some super high quality bits and tools that I rarely use because of the sacred status.
<SiFuh_>
i tend to obliterate that useless cheap shit first and restock then when I decimate 'em
<SiFuh_>
ukky: For off-roading I carry the high quality shit, because that is where it shines.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Like a first-aid or survival kit
<ukky>
being smart is to know where you can use your sacred tools without destroying them
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I have a fucking expensive survival and first aid kit from Australia. That was where I was trained. I prefer their equipment. You spend a shit load of money on it but you hope to never ever use it.
<ukky>
that's smart
<SiFuh_>
I don't need it. But I know the guys I jungle/camp with would need it.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: It is actually funny that I go with KKM camping (KKM is like the US CDC) but I am the only with a first aid and snake bite kit.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: It comes with a book with a huge magnet for your refrigerator. With colour coded pages and emergency contacts for... Australia. The kit is colour coded too. I think red is serious blue is cool calm simple basic, and another colour for another thing.
<ukky>
On my side, I have two very expensive torque screwdrivers that I barely use, bought directly from Japan.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I have a Japnese one and a Chinese one. I use the Chinese off-road because the Japanese is super perfect
<SiFuh_>
ukky: My Japanese version is needle (analog) and the Chinese is that click shit.
<ukky>
Tohnichi I have are single click. I don't like those with needles.
<SiFuh_>
But that is Chinese
<SiFuh_>
I just checked my Japanese one is also Chinese Epica
<ukky>
For car, I have two Snap-on torque wrenches, also with click.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I think we are both fucked :-)
<ukky>
I told you we have a drill problems
<SiFuh_>
Me too
<SiFuh_>
ukky: This is why I am a fan of the Trump tariffs. These fucking Chinese have flooded the market with absolute shit.
<SiFuh_>
I myself want to see zero tariffs everywhere
<SiFuh_>
But when you have asshole governments that agree to free trade tariff anything then WTF?
<SiFuh_>
I bought 125 piece grommet set. Wife asks what it is for and I said "Wallace" then I laughed and she didn't. Oh well...
<ukky>
Tariffs are means to stop import from a specific country forever
<SiFuh_>
ukky: No
<ukky>
Yes
<SiFuh_>
Hell no
<SiFuh_>
You raise tariffs to force another country down.
<SiFuh_>
But let's look at Malaysia. 2.5% tariffs to import cars to US. But tarrifs on cars to Malaysia is over 30%
<SiFuh_>
Why?
<ukky>
That country will sell somewhere else and will avoid you in the future.
<SiFuh_>
import/export cars
<SiFuh_>
ukky: You aren't seeing it
<SiFuh_>
A country raises tariffs to protect their industries. So Malaysia rose export tarrifs from the US to Malaysia by over 30%
<SiFuh_>
But they can send their shit protons and perodua to USA for a mere 2.5%
<SiFuh_>
If I could buy a US car here for the same price as a local pile of shit.... You think I am the only one who'd by a US made car?
<SiFuh_>
If everyone wants a US car, perodua and proton will have no choice but to lower their price so much, they'd commit suicide.
<SiFuh_>
And here it is worse on motorbikes. There is NO motorbike manufacturer in Malaysia but since Motorcycles fall under automobiles here. The bike riders have to pay 10 fold the price. Because of tariffs.
<SiFuh_>
Those tariffs are not from the foreign country, they are from Malaysian import customs.
<SiFuh_>
So Malaysia is charging high tariffs for US imports and US pays then they value the price of the vehicle with that tariff included. It has become a huge scam.
<SiFuh_>
So the question is. Where is free trade?
<ukky>
Some governments have no clue how to make money. Raising tariffs is one of the easiest ways to fix that, but tariffs might kick your ass if you raise them too much.
<SiFuh_>
Since 2009 until 2014 tariffs were a kick in the cunt for everything.
<ukky>
And why would US import Malay cars anyway?
<SiFuh_>
ukky: That is a point and they do. But it has like no sales there. But USD is what the government wants. Hence tariffs.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: The Harley Davidsons you buy here are not made in US, they actually come from ... Oh wait Trump said it ... India!
<ukky>
I do not listen what Trump says, he can do 180° flip on his ideas in 30 seconds
<SiFuh_>
ukky: In 2003 I can buy a Honda VFR 400CC NC30 for 40,000 baht. The same bike is 40,000 MYR. That means I am paying 400,000 THB for th\at bike in those days.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: You should because the entire world is listening. And I hate politicians and I am no Trump fan.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Xi from China just left Malaysia. He is touring Asia. Why? We know it is to do with tariffs. But what is the reason and result? They are afraid I feel. They had to come here because of the last choice.
<ukky>
I do not have to listen to what US is doing right now. It does not match my values and POV.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: He who reads the newspaper and believes every word is a fool. He who does not read it is a bigger fool.
<SiFuh_>
I can't stand political politics. But I have 9 hours of suffering listening to it. Myself.
<ukky>
Well, I read the news, but I skip whatever comes from US, as I lost intrerest in what they are doing.
<SiFuh_>
I'd rather go jungle or camping or kick the neighbours cat. I got more important shit to do. But these asshole cunts fuck with our lives all the time.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: You and me, remiliascarlet, zorz_, farkuhar, ppetrov^, all we want is to live right? Left alone. But this idiots keep encroaching in our lives. Like these useless never worked a day in their life people have an opinion over us. It is disgusting.
<farkuhar>
NO motorbike manufacturer in Malaysia? I thought the goal of high import tariffs was to stimulate local industry, i.e., motorbike manufacturers would be encouraged to construct assembly lines in Malaysia. Did the tariffs not achieve their goal in this instance?
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: It did. The car industry. Did you speed read what I said?
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh_, you drunk?
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: Huh? No... why would I?
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: You want the government uneducated class to rule over you?
<farkuhar>
So the car industry got stimulated, but motorbike production did not ramp up simultaneously? That seems odd, if motorbikes are subject to the same tariffs as cars.
<ppetrov^>
actuallyt, i did not read the discusssion above
<ppetrov^>
decided to update my 3.7 system, and I am building the R modules
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: You know these morons are planning a sleep tax right?
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: No I said it falls under the same class as automobiles.
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: My 3.7 has been updating 2 days now.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: Oh, I thought you meant the same class when it came to tariffs.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Yes it does because the tariffs were applied to automobiles. ALL of them. Whether or not they produce them
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: I will join emmett with his head ache soon I feel.
<farkuhar>
So why didn't the tariffs lead to an increase in the local production of motorbikes?
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Because they don't make them dude. They class them under automobiles. They protect their automobile industry. Whether or not they create certain autmobiles such as motorbikes (WHICH THEY DO NOT MAKE)
<SiFuh_>
Fscking hell. I think farkuhar and speed reading doesn't work well.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: With that said, I did speed read an article today and the wife said "You are wrong" So I read it again and realised I was.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Oh toady is 19 what a relief. Sunday I need to call if I can turn up to the meeting in KL. Told him 20th I will let you know. But he never answers on 20th so 21st will be fine.
<ppetrov^>
no idea bout no sleep tax
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: They want to tax your carbon dioxide. Err you breath that shit and plants love it.
<SiFuh_>
Now they want a sleep tax
<ppetrov^>
right right
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: If you haven't figured it out by now, (I figured it out in 1988) we are all slaves.
<ppetrov^>
Muahahahahaaa....
<SiFuh_>
Just different words
<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: Was there a vigorous debate when the Malaysian automobile tariffs were first proposed, pointing out the non-existent local production of motorbikes (which should therefore be subject to a different class of tariffs, since there's no domestic industry to protect)?
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: Why are you laughing? Are you free?
<ppetrov^>
1988 my country was still behind the Iron Curtain
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: Understood.
<ppetrov^>
dude, i've got bigger problems to worry about, than the world conspiracy
<ppetrov^>
latez
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: WTF dude. I said they treat motorcycles as automobiles so the tax applies to ALL automobiles
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: Just be you, see what is happening, and say no to everything. You can't get out of it because the entire planet is full of morons.
<ppetrov^>
Muahahahahaaa....
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<SiFuh_>
Hmm you know lavaball was right baout him?
<ukky>
30% tariffs on motorbikes, when there is no local production, is a way for government to make money, charging bike riders extra for their bikes. Easy money.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: ukky: I love to make people angry but when I say "Wifes office had to shut down on Thursday because a colleague tested positive to Covid. But they all were sent home and told to come in for a test on Monday" Then I said "What a pandemic. 4 day holiday. Wow, so serious"
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Yep, that was the point. Tariffs are a tax on other countries, a tax taked to add onto the price for the middle man and again the seller.
<SiFuh_>
So they are taxing the country, the middle man and the seller. And it is offloaded onto the buyer.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: We have 100% free trade with Japan. I bought a car part and payed 65% tax on it.
<SiFuh_>
30% tariff so where did the other 35% come from?
<SiFuh_>
Middle man, customs, postal service.... Me
<SiFuh_>
ukky: US and AU makes the best off-road parts but I am stuck with cheep Chinese junk... Explain it
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Here is another one for you. I have a lot of Chinese stuff I bought when in China and they are insanely high quality. But I can buy the same thing outside of China and it is cheap shit?
<SiFuh_>
China is a nation with incredibly high tariffs. But they produce the best inside of China for Chinese people but all the shit is sent to the rest of the world
<ukky>
SiFuh_: some people prefer to buy cheap things that brake often. They just buy it again, cheap. Other people buy expensive stuff, which brakes less often. In the end, both spend similar amount of money.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I bought a Weller soldering iron once. My father was angry with me. Said you can buy the same thing for 15 bucks here. It was Chinese junk. Every year my father replaced that soldering iron. Not joking at all. I still use that same one in Australia. I just replaced the core once. I bought mine in the 90's. I spent maybe 64 bucks on it. My father has paid well over $315. I can get the exact
<SiFuh_>
figures later.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I spent $43
<ukky>
SiFuh_: I am just saying. Sometimes cheap stuff does not worth a penny, of course. But I prefer very expensive products: you spend once, and barely need a replacement anytime soon.
<SiFuh_>
My father spent $405
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Both my flat earth brother and I agree that buying quality is the best
<SiFuh_>
ukky: And where did it come from? AU, DE, US and RU
<ukky>
Aurudeus
<SiFuh_>
ukky: And thanks to the cheap tariffs and slave labour it all moved to CN
<SiFuh_>
Who charged higher tariffs to protect thei slave labour
<SiFuh_>
ukky: You eat Chocolate? Ever been to the Ivory Coast?
<ukky>
My HDD got delivered. I have to experiment with 4K sectors rn
<ukky>
SiFuh_: Yes, I eat chocolate every day (most days)
<SiFuh_>
They kidnap kids to pick it. Never even feed them well. Stupid way to have slaves. Then when they die. Throw them into a hole. When the hole is almost full they burn the kids and bury them and dig a new hole.
<SiFuh_>
I don't eat chocolate. Don't like it anyway. But after this. I refuse to touch it.
<SiFuh_>
Do you know that the kids that end up in that hole are the same kids that dug it?
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I made a Chinese man very angry today when I said to my wife "Why should my son or I go to fight in Vietnam and kill my brothers?"
<SiFuh_>
He was eaves dropping
<ukky>
I don't do 'save the planet' stuff.
<SiFuh_>
This isn't
<SiFuh_>
But I am not eating what a child bled over and died in a hole for.
<SiFuh_>
I have moral values and knowing that is just a kick in the head for my morality
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I actually confiscate my wifes chocolate. She always seems to think she ate it all.
<SiFuh_>
I have a very strict rule. Leave our beautiful kids alone. I don't care anything else. You don't touch them.
<ukky>
My hope is very high about converting 512e to 4096 on this HDD.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Me too
<ukky>
Haha
<SiFuh_>
I was serious
<SiFuh_>
I want to see your results.
<SiFuh_>
I have 4 drives, I know at least 1 is fine.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: You plan to do any benchmarks or just try it?
<ukky>
My hope is high because it says 'Powered by Ultrastar', and Ultrastar supports switching sector size
<SiFuh_>
It should work with every drive ukky. The system handles that.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: That's gonna be my root FS for new NetBSD install
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Not a fan of NetBSD. Maybe remiliascarlet will be intersted in this
<ukky>
SiFuh_: No, not every disk can switch sector size to 4096. but higher level (partition manager, filesystems) can work with any amount of sectors when using 64-bit pointers.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I asked chatgpt about drilling concrete. The reply was fucking stupid man.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Ahh you did say disklabel
<ukky>
disklabel, for historical reasons, only use 32-bit pointers, and that's why it cannot handle partitions greater than 2 TB.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Something like this. Use a mason bit. Mark your hole well. Choose the correct size bit. Start slow and then go superman speed
<SiFuh_>
Anyone who knows drilling never superman speeds it and never uses the correct size bit.
<SiFuh_>
Start small and work your way up. Slow speeds tear through. High speeds destroy your bit.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: If you need to drill 4 holes very close and very precise, you piece of wood, drill your holes in the wood, and then drill concrete with hummer drill bits through that wood holes.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Hahaha farkuhar You see, he is definitely related to me.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Never drill with hammer to start.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: We both were born on Mars
<SiFuh_>
Always cut the hole them switch to hammer.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I really think you and I are on the same wave length.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I have already the piece of wood as a guide that I plan to use.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: we both are very picky in what we choose
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Kind of OCD I guess. You know that vintage pot was cleaned, buffed, polished, buffed, boiled, the cleaned again and the handles resprayed. It looks like new now.
<SiFuh_>
My wife didn't even recognise it for a split second ukky
<SiFuh_>
But she lives in la la land. So it wouldn't make sense to her
<SiFuh_>
Should have married a woman with a brain like remiliascarlet :-P
<SiFuh_>
ukky: And I am so itching to go jungle/camping again.
<SiFuh_>
2 months we are dead in the water. Last night I was thinking to just go but then I remembered. I got shit to drill and a US passport photo
<ukky>
SiFuh_: here we are opposite, I stay at home most of the time if I don't have to go to work.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I am home most of the time. But I hate it. It is like a modern version of a prison cell
<SiFuh_>
ukky: During that fake covid shit I was constantly telling the wife. This is a prison. We eve have bars on the windw!
<zorz_>
'lo zorz !!!
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: zorz is not here
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I just killed AI again about COVID lies
<ukky>
hi zorz_
<SiFuh_>
ukky: You use that slip-on handle with the drill?
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I am still admiring that dril you sent. Hahaha
<SiFuh_>
ukky: In Australia I use a dril from the 1950's. 100 percent aluminium. Father said is dangerous, you will be elctrocuted. I said it modified it and showed him.
<zorz_>
hi all
<SiFuh_>
ukky: The drill still works today with the original brushes from 1950.
<zorz_>
go to home depot and buy a new drill!!
<zorz_>
:P
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: Wrong country.
<zorz_>
something similar... buy a japan tech drill
<ukky>
SiFuh_: Yes, I always use the handle on that drill, and always use the drilling limiter so I do not drill more deep than I need.
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<SiFuh_>
Drill limiter. Ohhhhhhh I want to see that. I use tape
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Ahh I see it
<ukky>
Nice feature if you drill concrete, walls, bricks, etc.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Intersting. I usually chuck that shit away
<ukky>
My HDD is DOA: ata3.00: failed to IDENTIFY (INIT_DEV_PARAMS failed, err_mask=0x80)
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<zorz_>
SiFuh_: do you intent to drill in german arse?