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<srji> \o/
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<jfloren_> I've been working on a music player web frontend using ningle. My music is mounted via NFS, and it seems that if I try to fetch & load dozens of album covers in parallel things get real slow. Wondering if there's something I could use to limit things to at most N threads in that particular handler at any given time. Suggestions? I forget what this is called, but basically when the cover image
<jfloren_> endpoint gets hit, I want it to grab one of a limited # of tokens during execution
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<disruptek> rate-limiting; leaky bucket?
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<cage> Hi! can someone help me about matching #\ZERO_WIDTH_SPACE with cl-ppcre? I tried (cl-ppcre:scan "\\x{200B}" ...) with no luck :(
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<Shinmera> (cl-ppcre:scan (string (code-char #x200B)) ..)
<cage> thanks Shinmera!!
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<dnhester26> MOP question: Does anyone know why the classes for the objects in (closer-mop:class-direct-slots *c3*) are different than for those here? (closer-mop:class-slots *c3*)
<dnhester26> The ones with the slot definition I want are in the direct slots, but that
<dnhester26> but that's an issue if I have inheritance
<dnhester26> class-slots gives #<SB-MOP:STANDARD-EFFECTIVE-SLOT-DEFINITION MITO-VALIDATE::NAME> which is *not* what I expect
<dnhester26> class-direct-slots gives #<MITO-VALIDATE-STANDARD-DIRECT-SLOT-DEFINITION MITO-VALIDATE::NAME>
<dnhester26> which is what I expect
<Shinmera> why? because... that's how it works/
<Shinmera> the direct slots gives you the slots that are defined directly on the class. The slots gives you all effective slots that are computed.
<Shinmera> direct slots and effective slots are different things :shrug:
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<bike> if you want a direct slot, you don't want to concern yourself with inheritance, since an inherited slot is not direct.
<jackdani1l> effective slot is a compilation of all direct slots associated with a name
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<dnhester26> I want both direct and inherited slots. The problem I had is that the class of the slot I am getting back is not the same. If you note, from class slots I got an instance of an object of SB-MOP class, and from class-direct-slots I got back an instance of an object of mito-validate-standard-direct...
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<bike> why do you want both direct and inherited slots? they're totally different things.
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<dnhester26> I just found out the answer, it's because I was defining (defmethod closer-mop:effective-slot-definition-class expecting it to give me what I wanted just like I did for (defmethod closer-mop:direct-slot-definition-class, when in reality I had to define (defmethod closer-mop:compute-slots
<dnhester26> Now this I don't understand why would compute slots not use closer-mop:effective-slot-definition-class, if direct slots uses closer-mop:direct-slot-definition-class
<dnhester26> bike: yeah, I wanted all available slots, the problem was that the classes of the slot objects were not what I was expecting
<bike> class-slots gives you all available slots, inherited or not
<dnhester26> One class was SB-MOP:STANDARD-EFFECTIVE-SLOT-DEFINITION and I needed the class of the slot object to be MITO-VALIDATE-STANDARD-DIRECT-SLOT-DEFINITION
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<bike> they'll be effective slots, since that's what the list of all slots is
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<bike> compute-slots calls compute-effective-slot-definition, which calls effective-slot-definition-class to tell what class of slot it ought to make
<dnhester26> Yeah, that's what I needed, the problem was the classes of those slot objects themselves
<bike> if you truly need direct slots, you don't also need inherited slots
<dnhester26> bike: I don't think so. That was exactly the problem I had and the answer is that it doesn't. I had defined (defmethod closer-mop:effective-slot-definition-class ((class mito-validate-metaclass) and was getting a different class than expected. I had to define (defmethod closer-mop:compute-slots ((class mito-validate-metaclass)) myself
<dnhester26> No, I needed all the slots of the object. Again, the problem was not the slots themselves, rather the classes of the slot objects
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<bike> if you need all the slots you're not going to get direct slots. you said you needed them to be of class mito-validate-standard-direct-slot-definition. that is presumably a direct slot definition class. so the effective slots are not going to be that.
<Shinmera> Fascinating, have we discovered an entirely new reason that ORMs are a bad idea here
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<bike> compute-effective-slot-definition is defined to use effective-slot-definition-class. here's sbcl's doing it https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/blob/f25e54647970346b8d2093e00fd98e2811f0ff93/src/pcl/std-class.lisp#L1280
<ixelp> sbcl/src/pcl/std-class.lisp at f25e54647970346b8d2093e00fd98e2811f0ff93 · sbcl/sbcl · GitHub
<jackdani1l> dnhester26: see my post for example with effective slots http://turtleware.eu/posts/Dynamic-Let---A-New-Hope.html
<ixelp> TurtleWare
<dnhester26> bike: actually you were right. compute-slots does call effective-slot-definition-class, so why in the world did it not work when I defined (defmethod closer-mop:effective-slot-definition-class ((class mito-validate-metaclass) but it did work when I defined (defmethod closer-mop:compute-slots ((class mito-validate-metaclass))
<dnhester26> bike: just read your comments, thanks for the link, I had just finished reading that code in emacs when I wrote what I wrote.
<dnhester26> So now i really don't understand. Here's my code now: https://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/4634#4634 before redifining compute-slots, the classes where not correct. I really don't understand why that would be if I had redefined closer-mop:effective-slot-definition-class
<bike> these are the slots you're getting from class-slots? not class-direct-slots?
<bike> making a slot-definition directly like you're doing is definitely wrong. that's an abstract class.
<dnhester26> jackdani1l: thanks will read it
<dnhester26> bike: which line in the pastebin are you refering to with "making a slot-definition directly like you're doing is definitely wrong. that's an abstract class."?
<bike> 80, 86, 92
<dnhester26> bike: Here's the output I was getting https://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/4633#4633
<dnhester26> Oh right, that's the stuff I just added because I was getting the output in the second plaster I just sent. Because the classes of the slots were not my custom classes as defined in line 27 of the first plaster
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<jackdani1l> dnhester26: just take a look at the mop definitions
<jackdani1l> the rest is rather irrelevant to your problem I think
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<dnhester26> jackdani1l: thanks, will take a look, was just reading your post
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<dnhester_> Thanks everyone bike danieli Shinmera . I deleted all the effective slot definitions I made, it was a mistake as you all pointed out. Turns out I had already coded this a few months ago and it ended up being getting all the direct slots for a class and doing a search over it's superclasses to get their direct slots is what I needed to do for my specific need
<bike> well. i've never used an ORM and now i think that may be for the best
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<dnhester_> hm, well I'm really extending the ORM, not as a user but as a developer, so I'm not sure how that's a fair statement. Also, just because I'm a newbie doesn't mean that you would have any of the difficulties that I'm having
<bike> if it makes you gather direct slots from parent classes something has gone wrong
<dnhester_> I just needed the standard slot definition class for all the class-slots
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<dnhester_> How should I go about that otherwise?
<dnhester_> this is the function I am calling which basically did it for me: https://github.com/fukamachi/mito/blob/master/src/core/class/table.lisp#L205
<ixelp> mito/src/core/class/table.lisp at master · fukamachi/mito · GitHub
<bike> you shouldn't need the direct slots.
<dnhester_> Is the implementation wrong? here's the function they call https://github.com/fukamachi/mito/blob/master/src/core/class/table.lisp#L183
<ixelp> mito/src/core/class/table.lisp at master · fukamachi/mito · GitHub
<dnhester_> What should I do then? When I get the class-slots they don't have all the information I need because the classes are not the classes of the slots I defined, so they are missing the slots I need to query
<bike> on L206 it's checking through superclasses for direct slots. i don't know all the details of how this works, but it seems inappropriate to have to do that. that information should be in the effective slots.
<bike> it doesn't seem to be in mito, and of course that's hardly you're doing.
<bike> your
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<dnhester_> I basically have a class (defclass c1 ((name :validation-function (lambda (x) ... ))(:metaclass mymm)). So when I get the obj, I want to get the slots, and do (funcall (validation-function (slot-value obj 'name))
<dnhester_> But the effective slot is of a class sb-mop:effective slot or something like that, so I don't know how I can access the validation-function
<dnhester_> That's all I needed
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<dnhester_> Do you know how to do that with the effective slot?
<erjag> *sigh* multiple values handling is so ugly in so many different ways
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<bike> dnhester_: you should compute the effective slot definition in such a way that the validation function from the direct slots is carried over to the effective slot.
<dnhester_> When I did (inspect) in sly the validation-function wasn't there in the effective slot
<bike> dnhester_: this lets you define things like what happens if a subclass gives a different :validation-function for the same slot
<bike> dnhester_: yeah, you have to put it in yourself (and the interface for this is admittedly a little bad). let me dig up an example
<dnhester_> bike: thanks for that. How can I do that?
<dnhester_> bike: Thanks so much!
<ixelp> common-lisp-jupyter/src/widgets/traits.lisp at 3555a009f6d8734751bda1feadc8a09e7b0099b6 · yitzchak/common-lisp-jupyter · [...]
<dnhester_> I would like to use the subclass's validation-function instead
<bike> in this case it just gets the trait-type from the most recent direct slot
<dnhester_> thanks, reading it now
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<dnhester_> bike: I'm trying to do per the example and I'm getting an error where 2 arguments are passed to the function. Do you know why? https://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/4635#4635
<dnhester_> thanks so much for the help
<dnhester_> with the example
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<dnhester_> ah take it back, it was the setf, sorry, my bad, missed the message because it didn't just say setf, got confused