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<foxfromabyss>
there seems to be a multitude of different opengl CL bindings and i am not entirely sure which one to pick. Would appreciate some directions :)
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<jackdaniel>
as far as I can tell cl-opengl is the canonical one (and the most faithful to the underlying api)
<foxfromabyss>
will check that out first then, thanks!
<jackdaniel>
sure
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<jackdaniel>
say that I have a tree-like structure built on back references from children i.e a class child has a slot parent (but not the other way around). I can programmatically compute each parent's children
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<jackdaniel>
how would you approach writing a make-form method for such parent?
<scymtym>
beach: the client i'm using as Brucio-61 was originally derived from Beirc but there is very little left of that code. Brucio-61 is online more than this account because the CL client is better at reconnecting than ERC (at least for my networking circumstances)
<beach>
I see.
<pjb>
jackdaniel: what would make-form do?
<jackdaniel>
create the root and its children (with children having the parent initialized to the root)
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<jackdaniel>
or perhaps make-load-form is not the right tool to serialize this kind of data
<Bike>
when you dump a parent, do you want to dump its children as well, even though they're just computable from the parent rather than stored ini t?
<jackdaniel>
yes, I want to throw a low-effort export/import here
<jackdaniel>
this is really baked by a database, that's why the parent doesn't have points to its children (only the other way around)
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<Bike>
if you have a database object including both parentss and children, would it make more sense to dump that?
<Bike>
i'm just not sure how the children are accessible from the parent at all, i guess. if you compute them more than once does that make new children each time? or are they cached in the database or something?
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<jackdaniel>
I have an access to the database via postmodern. I can do sql queries etc, regarding caching it is rather irrelevant here (I'm not that interested in identity either way)
<jackdaniel>
generally I can do (find-instances 'children :parent my-parent) and that will magically return all of them
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<jackdaniel>
I could potentially make an initarg that doesn't save the slot but rather fixes the parent in children in initialize-instance
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<Josh_2>
:trumpet: GM
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<Josh_2>
Has anyone tried running a lisp image in their linux initramfs?
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<Equill>
ASDF doesn't allow for declaring whether a system is an application or a library, or some secret third thing. I really should have considered that before being excited that I can write something to walk an app's dependencies and automagically connect everything in the database.
<Equill>
This automation is getting less automatic all the time.
<random-nick>
why does that matter?
<beach>
What does it mean to "connect everything in the database"?
<beach>
And, yes, why is the distinction important?
<Equill>
Sorry, being a little cryptic there. I'll back up and clarify a little.
<Equill>
I'm starting to actually use Syscat in anger, it being a single-source-of-truth. In it, I distinguish between applications and libraries, because it makes sense to have applications run on hosts, but not libraries. However, it's handy to be able to trace an application's dependencies, hence libraries also being a thing in there.
<pjb>
What is syscat?
<Equill>
My immediate exercise is to trace all Syscat's own dependencies, and their licenses, so I can make sure I haven't set myself up for licensing incompatibility.
<Equill>
Syscat is an application I wrote; it's name is short for the System Catalogue. It's designed to keep track of everything in your IT environment - applications, hosts, people, network connections, the lot.
<pjb>
I see. Well, indeed, there's no formal data about what an application is. You'll have to fetch each project, and read the documentation. Often, the lisp code can be used as well as library and as application, even from the REPL. Sometimes, there will be a makefile or some other script to generate a stand-alone "application" or executable.
<jackdaniel>
the distinction between an application and a library in common lisp is blurry at best. perhaps when the system is not dependent on would count as a fair heuristic
<pjb>
I guess you could script some heuristics. grep app [Mm]akefile etc.
<pjb>
grep 'main\|run' *.lisp
<Equill>
That's exactly what I completely forgot to account for, in my excitement at the idea of traversing ASDF dependencies.
<jackdaniel>
another one (from a declarative sense) you could tell that asdf does not treat it as a program when it doesn't have program-op defined
<Equill>
Oh, that's a good point; thanks!
<jackdaniel>
sure, but mind that some systems may play dual role, and while it may have program-op you still may be using it solely for its library utility
<Equill>
I tend to write applications as libraries with an entry-point myself, so... damn. You're right: it makes less sense to pre-categorise a piece of software, and more sense to tag it afterwards as having one or more characteristics (application, library, whatever).
<pjb>
Furthermore, there are projects where a single body of code will be used both as an library and as SEVERAL applications!
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<pjb>
If you want to reify an application (or deliverable) thing, it won't be 1-1 with asdf systems.
<pjb>
(not necessarily).
<Equill>
Oh, man. There's that, too, and I'll have to think about how to actually represent both of those situations.
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<Equill>
This is one of those moments I'm *incredibly* glad I took the easy way and wrote an engine you configure, instead of hard-coding all these as API endpoints.
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<Equill>
I'll just go mull over how best to represent this. Thanks, everybody; this has been incredibly valuable.
<Equill>
I knew that making it comprehensive would be a challenge; I had no idea how many philosophical conundra it would involve :)
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<jackdaniel>
sure
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<uics>
nobs and idiots all xaxaxa
<uics>
idiots jews and masons use lisp lololo
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<Equill>
Thanks, Bike.
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<Bike>
no problem
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<Bike>
sorry for the noise. i don't use these commands often enough to be very familiar
<jackdaniel>
Bike went on a vanning spree :)
<jackdaniel>
banning*
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<louis77>
Thanks for taking care so quickly, Bike
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