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<nij-> Oh. What's a good place to start? Indeed, I only need as much as information possible to be logged when a thread goes wrong silently.
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<Bike> okay, so you don't want a debugger at all, you want a logger. usually you would install a handler-case on serious-condition that would print the condition and backtrace to a file or something.
<Bike> for the backtrace you can use trivial-backtrace or dissect, which i think you were already recommended.
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<nij-> Oh, I see, that's what dissect does.
<nij-> How would you print the condition?
<Bike> (princ condition)
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<Bike> and you can get the restarts with (compute-restarts) and print those as well, in a handler-bind, but if things are running non interactively that might not be very interesting.
<Bike> dissect also has stuff for messing with restarts.
<nij-> Thanks! I will give it a try :)
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<ixelp> hunchentoot/acceptor.lisp at master · edicl/hunchentoot · GitHub
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<pve> Ever spend days building something, and then slowly start to think that maybe you're building the wrong thing? :)
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<phoe> yes, many times
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<flip214> that's most of the fun, isn't it?
<pve> flip214: good attitude
<pve> i mean, you still learn something, hopefully
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<pdietz> That happens all the time.   But it's better than building something, coming back to it later, and not understanding what you built.
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<phoe> which, in turn, is better than building something, coming back to it later, and not fathoming how the hell it even manages to work in the first place
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<pve> The ol' "What idiot coded this garbage? Oh..."-moment
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<pdietz> I've had some success getting ChatGPT to write Common Lisp code, although rounds of detailed correction are necessary.   This is not code used for anything, just playing around.
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<pjb> pdietz: I had no success in that: the code produced is plain wrong, and there's no mean to teach ChatGPT anything.
<pjb> it's like eliza, it only repeats what has been stored in the data base in its "learning" phase from the web. So it reproduces idiocies from the web.
<pjb> plus filters. there are questions it refuses to answer.
<pjb> I'm not saying that Eliza wouldn't be a useful module as front end to an actual AI. But ChatGPT is not an AI. It's a hardwired system (perhaps built using AI algorithm, but that remains irelevant).
<pjb> (I've also read reports that it can produce code with unbalanced parentheses!)
<pdietz> I found it responded well to specific focused comments.    Like, "the defun forms should not be nested".
<pdietz> So you can steer a partial solution toward something that's more correct.
<pjb> Yes, but it doesn't retain anything. You can make it do what you want, and then it cannot reuse the instructions.
<pjb> So in the end, you're faster writing the code yourself.
<pdietz> I'm wondering if they're recording these interactions and are planning to use them to improve the product.
<pjb> They obviously want to control what the AI learns.
<pjb> The reaction has been to hire programmers (~300 IIRC) to write and comment code to teach it programming better. I wonder how many lispers amongst them!?!
<pjb> But I don't think it'll help much, given that it looks like ChatGPT is just not able to reason.
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<semz> it's a language model, it regurgitates text. afaict the proof that this is totally like consciousness/understanding has been largely left as an exercise for the reader, after providing a lot of suggestive window dressing to seduce the reader into begging the question
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<pjb> semz: yes, it's just like Eliza, just a tad more sophisticated.
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<pjb> and a bigger database.
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<Josh_2> GM :trumpet:
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<Josh_2> How do I stop and restart a clack app. I use clack:clackup on my instance of ningle:app then clack:stop on the object returned from clack:clackup, but if I then use clack:clackup again on my instance of ningle:app a condition is signalled about address being in use :sob:
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<pjb> Josh_2: you'd correct the bug, releasing the socket.
<Josh_2> Right so just a bug
<Josh_2> Its fukamachiware, I'm sure I'd spend 2 days just deciphering the code :joy:
<pjb> add some cleanup in clack:stop.
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<Josh_2> Interesting to hear that SICL Loop is used to test libraries
<Josh_2> I think its a good idea to try and make sure libraries in Quicklisp are conforming
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<pjb> Josh_2: well, libraries in quicklisp are only validated against sbcl.
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<pjb> There could be a declaration in asdf to indicate what implementations are supported or if the code is intended to be conforming.
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