#commonlisp on 2022-03-10 — irc logs at libera.irclog.whitequark.org

2022-01-14 08:34 phoe changed the topic of #commonlisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language | Wiki: <https://www.cliki.net> | IRC Logs: <https://irclog.tymoon.eu/libera/%23commonlisp> | Cookbook: <https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook> | Pastebin: <https://plaster.tymoon.eu/>

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00:07 <pjb> Guest74: (prin1-to-string *package*) #| --> "#<Package \"COMMON-LISP-USER\">" |#

00:12 <Guest74> pjb: don't you think it would be more useful for them to learn format?

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02:47 <Guest20> hi, on one machine, i am getting the error that the "Network is down" when using quicklisp. But the network is definitely up, since I am ssh'ed into the machine. Is that a known issue with the quicklisp server?

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03:01 <Guest20> is anyone else experiencing networking issues with quicklisp?

03:03 <zacque> Nope, just (ql:quickload "vectore]"

03:03 <zacque> Nope, just run ql:quickload fine a moment ago

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04:00 <beach> Good morning everyone!

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05:31 <livoreno> morning beach

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05:33 <beach> livoreno: Are you new here? I don't recognize your nick.

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06:13 <Josh_2> Good morning

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06:18 <livoreno> I'm not really new, but I pretty much only lurk :)

06:19 <livoreno> this is almost certainly the first time I've said something here using this specific nick however.

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07:17 <gin> what is one situation where (PROGN ...) will let do something easily that a simple (LET () ...) cannot do? trying to understand the usefulness of PROGN.

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07:18 <flip214> gin: PROGN is similar to PROG1 and PROG2; the result of PROGN is the same as for (LET () ...), right.

07:19 <gin> flip214: thank you

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07:26 <mfiano> gin: The most important difference is that if it appears at the toplevel, every subform is considered a toplevel form, which makes it convenient for macros.

07:26 <mfiano> The same cannot be said about LET, infact, the semantics may be entirely different.

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07:29 <mfiano> clhs 3.2.3.1

07:29 <specbot> Processing of Top Level Forms: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/03_bca.htm

07:30 <mfiano> I guess that was for flip214, too, as it was incorrectly stated that PROGN is the same as (LET () ...)

07:33 <pillton> Well, the compiler treats PROGN differently to (LET () ...).

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08:19 <livoreno> I learned about the * + / - variables today, nice

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08:55 <pjb> livoreno: and ** *** ++ +++ // and /// !

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10:15 <lisp123> Quiet day today

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10:49 <livoreno> pjb: of course, I meant the first three as their whole families :)

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12:35 <Shinmera> ELS registration is finally open now. https://www.last2ticket.com/en/embed/e/4173/s/45625/programming-2022

12:39 <splittist> Done. I wonder what you get for it?

12:39 <jackdaniel> parens, 1 paren / 1h of work

12:39 <jackdaniel> two hours may be used to enclose a single list

12:40 <flip214> anybody else arriving with ib3093 on saturday? We could have a chat starting in Madrid...

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14:04 <Shinmera> I'll be arriving in Porto at around 16:00 local time.

14:04 <Shinmera> So probably not gonna do much except dinner on that day.

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14:04 <Shinmera> Departing flight on Wednesday is very late though, so I'd be open for meets & whatever then.

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14:29 <flip214> Shinmera: oh sorry, my arrival is 3094 - 1605 in porto, so might be the same

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14:36 <Shinmera> Probably not unless you're flying directly from zurich

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14:43 <Lycurgus> anybody know about the lw patches?

14:43 <Lycurgus> (i.e are they automatically included or what?)

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14:47 <Lycurgus> sorry didn think http://www.lispworks.com/downloads/patch-selection.html would exist

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16:27 <servytor> Has there been any efforts to port Common Lisp to the CLR? I think it would be a good idea, but I am sad that apparently the C/C++ FFI of the CLR is limited to Windows

16:29 <drakonis> https://github.com/Lovesan/bike

16:29 <drakonis> this is interop rather

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16:31 <servytor> https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/issues/4121

16:32 <servytor> I mean I know clasp is working on interacting with C++ as well, but I was just curious

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16:49 <random-nick> apparently there used to be one called uabcl which ported abcl to mono's java implementation, but it's probably not very useful nowadays

16:49 <random-nick> https://web.archive.org/web/20150908042707/http://code.google.com/p/uabcl/

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17:18 <easye> random-nick: there have been various ports of ABCL to various versions of .NET All (?) have been about getting the interpreter running, while not that hard, such efforts could be improved by providing a more clear distinction of a pure interpreted mode in the various ABCL bootstrap machinery.

17:18 <easye> As far as I know, the .NET CLR has a completely different bytecode representation so the ABCL compiler has never been ported.

17:19 <easye> If someone is interested in recent efforts, Douglas Miles is the one to get in touch with.

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