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<mxshift> no one has braved building glscopeclient at work
<azonenberg> oh? i'm surprised. if you have a remotely recent linux box for the most part it's pretty much plug and play
<azonenberg> the windows build chain is more of a pain
<mxshift> If I was there to set it up for them, they'd probably use it. As is, they can get what they need done by using the scope front panel
<azonenberg> If you send me a .trc file i can see what i can do
<azonenberg> i dont have an importer yet but it's very similar to the over-the-wire binary framing lecroy uses for waveforms
<azonenberg> so it should be largely cut and paste from the lecroy driver
<mxshift> everyone is off for the weekend but I let rfk know
<mxshift> rfk = EE at work
<mxshift> hopefully he'll just get in the habit of grabbing interesting waveforms to send to you
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<azonenberg> So, active diff prototype came in. no magic smoke this time
<azonenberg> https://www.antikernel.net/temp/LeCroy--00035.png step response at 100ps/div. yellow = DUT w/ no load, green = DUT w/ probe, blue = probe's view of signal
<azonenberg> note this is 100ps/div :D
<azonenberg> https://www.antikernel.net/temp/ad4-dbed.png same measurements but (top plot) with cable loss de-embedded (fixture and probe effects still included)
<azonenberg> 61ps 20-80%, 88ps 10-90% rise time. pretty happy with that
<azonenberg> https://www.antikernel.net/temp/ad4-v0p2-s21.png S21 response. 4 GHz -3 dB bandwidth, but if you compensate for fixture losses (not currently de-embedded) i think 5 GHz is going to be very achievable
<azonenberg> i only need another half a dB and i think the fixture probably loses that much at 5 GHz
<azonenberg> 1.25 to 10.3125 Gbps PRBS patterns through probe with cable losses de-embedded
<azonenberg> note the eye is displaced ~10 mV above zero. common mode on the amplifier is not quite zero, next PCB will have a trimmer to fix that
<azonenberg> 5 and 10.3125 Gbps with probe/cable/fixture measured response de-embedded (I cannot currently separate them, time domain gating or similar will help when i get to that point)
<electronic_eel> the AKL-AD4 looks really nice, congrats!
<azonenberg> yeah i need to add a trimmer for the DC offset then figure out how to de-embed fixture losses (I think it's already 5 GHz, i just can't prove it yet)
<azonenberg> then maybe some EM shielding
<electronic_eel> which resistors are you using on the tips? iirc you were waiting for custom made ones for some of your probes
<azonenberg> but yeah i don't think it needs much. for something where the first board spin let out the magic smoke, it's doing well :p
<azonenberg> Vishay HML01. right now i am using 100 ohm
<azonenberg> i got 15 of them i've been gradually trickling out into designs for R&D, recycling as i respin boards
<azonenberg> i ordered a hundred more that just shipped (order placed in feb)
<azonenberg> i also ordered 450 ohm at the same time
<azonenberg> the idea being to combine my current 350 + 100 series strnig into a single part
<azonenberg> those have not yet shipped and i have not been able to get engineering samples
<azonenberg> so i don't know if it will improve performance or not
<azonenberg> i have to wait until they ship, whenever that is
<electronic_eel> ah, ok, so the new resistors could still improve the design
<azonenberg> yes. and the pt5
<azonenberg> the ad4 is basically two pt5s feeding into an adl5569
<azonenberg> nearly identical tip layout
<electronic_eel> so, what is the downside of the AKL-AD4 against the AKL-AV1? why use the AV1 and not a AD4 with one side tied to ground?
<azonenberg> The AD4 has 500 ohm DC loading like a PT5
<azonenberg> the AV1 is 5M ohm
<electronic_eel> ah, ok, sure, then the AV1 has it's place
<azonenberg> exactly. that's why i made it
<azonenberg> all of the good GHz amplifiers had on die termination
<azonenberg> which made high input impedance hard
<azonenberg> so i figured i dont care, i'll do like 1K diff / 250 ohm common mode for the diff probe
<azonenberg> thats good enough for most applications
<azonenberg> then make the AV1 for when you really need ultra low dc loading at the cost of bandwidth
<electronic_eel> next step: use skywater to make your own high impedance ghz diff amp ;)
<azonenberg> sky130 is not exactly an analog process
<azonenberg> nor do i have any skillz at making discrete analog transistor layout
<azonenberg> i would love if someone did it
<azonenberg> i am not that guy
<_whitenotifier-7> [scopehal] bvernoux synchronize pull request #481: Add support of PicoScope3000 MSO (16chan option) - https://github.com/glscopeclient/scopehal/pull/481
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<_whitenotifier-7> [scopehal-pico-bridge] bvernoux forked the repository - https://github.com/bvernoux
<_whitenotifier-7> [scpi-server-tools] bvernoux forked the repository - https://github.com/bvernoux
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