azonenberg changed the topic of #scopehal to: libscopehal, libscopeprotocols, and glscopeclient development and testing | https://github.com/azonenberg/scopehal-apps | Logs: https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/scopehal
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<GenTooMan> hmm 2 things I've noticed with the SDS1104X-E the unit can hang / lock up, since it has no physical power button this is a pain, also no physical reset button is a pain. The SDS1104X-E still can hang when communicating via ethernet.
<bvernoux> azonenberg, I have just receive my big RF stuff order with some nice SMA 26.5GHz connector 142-0761-881
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<azonenberg> bvernoux: nice, i havent tested any of those yet
<azonenberg> I'm still working my way through sonnet sims optimizing the various launch transitions
<bvernoux> I think transition is probably better natively with 142-0761-881 vs 901-10510-2
<bvernoux> I have also bought some excellent quality LOAD
<bvernoux> to evaluate them with my VNA
<bvernoux> LOAD/SHORT/OPEN in fact which are intended to work up to >18GHz
<bvernoux> they are about 20USD per unit but very high quality
<bvernoux> it is always cheaper than full calibration Kit for VNA which cost >600USD in best case up to 7GHz ...
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<azonenberg> bvernoux: well with a vna kit you're mostly paying for the calibration on the standards
<azonenberg> not just the precision, but the data
<GenTooMan> calibrated tools are great you know what you have LOL
<someone--else> I wonder if there is any data on how mechanical tolerances of calibration standards translate into s-parameter errors
<someone--else> i.e. how good a calibration standard can be derived from a reasonably precise (dunno, +-10um) mechanical device
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<bvernoux> azonenberg, yes clearly the price is only because it requires an expensive reference/VNA
<monochroma> it's primarily the manual labor cost
<electronic_eel> ... and the limited market demand. if calibration standards were bought in the millions every year, someone would probably come up with a highly automated process for manufacturing and calibrating them
<azonenberg> Yeah
<azonenberg> But in small volumes its cheaper to just pay an expensive technician to operate a $$$$ VNA
<electronic_eel> yeah. and that seems to be the state of the art
<Kliment> someone--else: I can ask some metrology people when they come back from holiday
<someone--else> Kliment: would be great, thanks!
<Kliment> someone--else: not sure if they will have answers, but I'm in a meeting with them end of July for unrelated reasons so why not
<someone--else> sounds great
<someone--else> it's probably not that difficult to calculate/simulate, but I was wondering if somebody already did this
<someone--else> and also suspect that the primary standards are derived this way anyway
<Kliment> someone--else: They are working on a system for authenticating measurement results and tracing back the chain to a source of truth
<Kliment> someone--else: so I doubt they have direct answers to that level of technical question but they might at least know who to ask within the org
<Kliment> someone--else: I'm working with them on the handheld device that their field techs will be using for authenticating calibration outcomes
<someone--else> authenticating as in cryptographically?
<Kliment> Yes
<Kliment> As in, this is a digitally signed proof that device X was calibrated to standard Y at time Z
<someone--else> oh, interesting
<Kliment> It's fun stuff, but that's all I can say about it for the moment
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<GenTooMan> Kliment, very important when verifying things and calibrating get a cert from a place in PDF form can be underwhelming.
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