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kintel: I think the only way to guarantee we can override the system version, as well as installing manifold system-wide without installing its built-in dependencies, is to use static library
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but tbb is quite annoying in that regard
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the issue is that there can be duplicated scheduler instances...
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/ قاعدة الكرسي
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module base() {
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cube([45, 40, 2]); // المقعد
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/ الساقين
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module legs() {
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translate([0, 0, -40]) {
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cube([4, 4, 40]); // الساق الأمامية
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translate([41, 0, 0]) cube([4, 4, 40]); // الساق الأمامية الأخرى
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translate([0, 36, 0]) cube([4, 4, 40]); // الساق الخلفية
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translate([41, 36, 0]) cube([4, 4, 40]); // الساق الخلفية الأخرى
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/ ظهر الكرسي
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module backrest() {
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translate([0, 36, 42]) {
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rotate([0, -90, 0]) cube([40, 4, 2]); // الظهر
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Guest11: really?
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seat_cushion();
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/ قاعدة الكرسي
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module base() {
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cube([45, 40, 2]); // المقعد
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/ الساقين
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module legs() {
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translate([0, 0, -40]) {
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cube([4, 4, 40]); // الساق الأمامية
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translate([41, 0, 0]) cube([4, 4, 40]); // الساق الأمامية الأخرى
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translate([0, 36, 0]) cube([4, 4, 40]); // الساق الخلفية
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translate([41, 36, 0]) cube([4, 4, 40]); // الساق الخلفية الأخرى
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/ ظهر الكرسي
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module backrest() {
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translate([0, 36, 42]) {
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rotate([0, -90, 0]) cube([40, 4, 2]); // الظهر
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what on earth is it with these guests spamming their nonsense?
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It is an unusual new pattern. But the ip addresses are coming from all over the world, so I don't know how to explain it.
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UK, HK, Africa, even Starlink.
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The code has comments in lots of languages, but not necessarily matching where the connecting ip address is from.
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Although it is compatible as far as I can tell on that last one.
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Here's a thought. Maybe people are using ChatGPT to write openscad code, given that the comment density looks like the amount you'd get with an LLM, and not like what a real person does, and then they are asking ChatGPT where to paste it to get help. Then they're leaving right away because we don't respond as fast as ChatGPT, so they assume we are broken.
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dTal >
Interesting theory, but has some holes. Why would they ask chatgpt where to paste it to get help, and not just ask chatgpt for help directly?
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InPhase >
Probably because it's failing. There are syntax errors in some of the code pasted this way.
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InPhase >
Also, many of the numbers look like nonsense with no spatial awareness.
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dTal >
##English had a problem once that someone had made a web page that presented an interface to the channel, as an English support channel, with no context given
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dTal >
this may be something similar
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InPhase >
But in so many languages?
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dTal >
note that the last guy seemed to reply
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dTal >
in the middle of the paste frenzy too
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dTal >
<f0lkert> Guest11: really?
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dTal >
<Guest11> seat_cushion();
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dTal >
<Guest11> chair();
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dTal >
<Guest11> Yes
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InPhase >
lol, mid-paste? How does that even happen?
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dTal >
looking closer they pasted twice
22:52
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InPhase >
Oh, there's a time gap.
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InPhase >
Same content.
22:52
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InPhase >
Well that's... Weird, and uninformative as to the underlying thought.
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dTal >
so at least they read, and possibly respond, and they may linger long enough to interrogate
22:53
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dTal >
next time let's have something ready to go that's more conducive to information extraction than "really?"
22:53
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InPhase >
Hey hey, why are you hear and who told you to paste this code?!
22:54
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InPhase >
I guess that's why we need to prepare ahead of time. ;)
22:54
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dTal >
but also maybe we want to lead with "Hi! We are happy to help you with your OpenSCAD code."
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dTal >
so they don't run off
22:54
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InPhase >
The typical instance of this waits less than a minute.
22:54
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dTal >
well we'd better be quick then
22:55
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InPhase >
Maybe we need to combat it with our own LLM setup to quickly engage with them and inquire about why they're doing it. ;)
22:56
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dTal >
odd that the last one was some scad-like javascript
22:56
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dTal >
yes that is an idea
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InPhase >
The LLMs will morph other languages into OpenSCAD routinely.
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dTal >
maybe it's a poorly programmed tool using llm
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dTal >
so like your suggestion except the human is not in the loop
22:57
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InPhase >
There are so many of them, and I can't keep up with trying them, so I can't spot the categories of defects. But the errors I see are consistent with the range of what I see LLMs doing wrong with this language
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dTal >
<InPhase> Different ip addresses every time, but the same pattern of Guest## pastes with the left "/" eaten on comments, and the same paste timeline for join/paste/part, which makes it look like the same person.
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dTal >
hahaha I never knew that
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dTal >
apparently // escapes the second slash
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dTal >
I have always used /say
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InPhase >
Doesn't for me, but it's probably a webchat feature.
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dTal >
not just webchat, I'm on quassel
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InPhase >
Here's another thing that I think is going on...
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InPhase >
Because of "ChatGPT", a lot of people think that "Chat" means "AI" now...
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InPhase >
So they may be looking for an OpenSCAD Chat.
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InPhase >
And then trying to get AI responses from us after clicking the webchat link.
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InPhase >
We do, unfortunately, label the IRC channel as just "Chat" on the website.
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InPhase >
And that I suppose does not mean what it used to mean, to a chunk of the world. Particularly those not native to English, probably.
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InPhase >
And obviously if you expect the webchat to be an AI, it very quickly looks like a broken AI.
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dTal >
is there something like povray but with real time render? like openscad for images instead of models?
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InPhase >
There's that bambu labs online version of openscad that has a better renderer.
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dTal >
I think you would need a more povray like language
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InPhase >
Well, somewhat better. It's not spectacular, but a bit prettier.
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InPhase >
Also, I've checked google for direct links to the webchat to here. There aren't that many, and I don't really see anything that looks like it could explain it. But a hunt for "chat" and thinking it's an AI obviously gets one here real fast.
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