<Guest93>
Will the new mac minis and latest MacOs be able to run openscad
<ndnihil>
probably
<ndnihil>
openscad is a very lightweight program
<Guest93>
I refer to the new restirctions mentioned in Hackaday
<ndnihil>
haven't seen that
<ndnihil>
but I dont run apple stuff, so not really on my radar
<Guest93>
on MacOs running downloaded packages. Currently it wont run unless you righl click and overrult he restriction but apparenlty apple is going to remove that option.
<ndnihil>
sounds like you dont own the hardware/software you paid for
<Guest93>
A lot of people do use Macbooks as I do and Openscad is one tthe mose valuable programs.
<ndnihil>
might want to look into a remedy for that
<Guest93>
Exactly - We can only use it at the whim of apple
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<teepee>
well, just for the record, kintel is working on that and it sounds like it's technically solved, but still needs to be included in the build pipeline which is also a bit of work
<teepee>
but yeah, my solution to that is no apple notebooks/desktops ever again
<teepee>
we may still need some at work but then people actually pay for that ;-)
<ndnihil>
if I do come by apple hardware, it'll get linux put on it
<ndnihil>
but that goes for pretty much any other brand of hardware too
<ndnihil>
I guess these days I'd be called a "fanboy"
<ndnihil>
but back when I set down my OS of choice path, it was just the option I found most useful at the time (and still do)
<ndnihil>
almost went with os2
<ndnihil>
and did run solaris at home for a while
<ndnihil>
but always ended up back at linux because it was stupid flexible and did the things I told it to do
<ndnihil>
freecad is so fucking infuriating
<ndnihil>
all I want to do is chamfer some shit
<ndnihil>
and like, nothing complicated
<ndnihil>
just some text in a flat plane
<ndnihil>
if I select all the things at once, crash
<ndnihil>
if I select just the right things in the right order, I can get 95% of it chamfered
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<ndnihil>
but this one bit (center of an 'A') crashes
<teepee>
I did run a macbookpro with linux for a couple of years
<teepee>
but I do like my new framework notebook much more
<ndnihil>
I have piles of thinkpads
<InPhase>
/me applauds framework.
<ndnihil>
needy primadonna ungineers at work demand the latest and greatest every week it seems
<InPhase>
Pretend I typed that right.
<teepee>
InPhase: how is yours?
<InPhase>
teepee: Holding up solid.
<ndnihil>
so I get a lof of very relevant and highly spec'd lenovos
<teepee>
mine is a year old, all good still
<InPhase>
teepee: I had a singular issue... I apparently didn't put my keyboard connector on the motherboard securely enough, as it popped off one day. But they're trivial to open, so not an issue.
<teepee>
I love the flexible connector selection. I found a combination that works almost perfectly
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<InPhase>
teepee: Yeah, I was worried about the Framework 13 having too few with only 4 configurable plugs, but it ended up working flawlessly. I keep an extra 2 port modules in my backpack, but haven't actually needed them ever so far.
<teepee>
also it's great how that's just 5 secured normal screws instead of like 28 different tiny ones on a Dell
<InPhase>
But I like that the options are sitting right there in my backpack.
<teepee>
exactly. I have 2xUSB-C, HDMI and 1xUSB-A
<teepee>
at home, powering through a docking station with some extra stuff plugged in
<teepee>
good combination so far
<InPhase>
teepee: I bought 2xUSB-C, 2xUSB-A, HDMI, and ethernet. In practice I use HDMI and USB-C in the backmost, and 2xUSB-A in the two frontmost slots.
<InPhase>
I mostly have dongles everywhere anyway for ethernet, as it does a better job guarding against cable kicking.
<InPhase>
And I sure do enough cable kicking.
<InPhase>
At work I even use a USB-C dongle that does both ethernet and power, and that has been working fine for me, so I get both by one plug-in on the singular USB-C.
<InPhase>
I bought that optimistically before I actually had USB-C power, and it paid off now by just working well. :)
<InPhase>
teepee: In fact, I just placed an order for 4 Framework 16's to be used as research equipment, as the 6 configurable ports hit a niche need of having 3x ethernet ports on a laptop.
<InPhase>
It frustratingly took a month and a half to get IT approval for this purchase, because they were deeply concerned about the security implications of replacing 4 Windows 7 computers from 2013 with 4 Framework 16's from 2024 running Linux... ... But eventually they were convinced this would meet requirements.
<InPhase>
I cleared the final hurdle for approval, taking an additional week, by getting a vendor to write a formal letter declaring that 8-core Ryzen 7's with 64GB of RAM meet the requirements of at least dual core with 4GB of RAM. But sometimes while dealing with bureaucracies I wonder what my degrees are supposed to have been for.
<J24k>
seems it is also not scaling with text size
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<teepee>
InPhase: I've seen such cases too. The bigger the org is, the more difficult it seems to get sensible results. Like in one case I heard "you can only keep your 15 years old desktop PCs for Linux" the new ones allowed to buy are not certified for Linux
<teepee>
all while the production servers do run Linux so there is at least a little bit of sense in having at least a couple of Linux dev servers too
<J24k>
maybe i should said the indicator is in line 304 that tiny light blue pixel
<InPhase>
teepee: Expecting "certified" is such a wild thing for stuff like that. Why even hire experts?
<InPhase>
Like 90% of the point of Linux is about the process benefits and overall cost-savings of in-housing the expertise.
<InPhase>
For enough money you could get MS to make you a version of Windows that does whatever you want. Or you could pay relatively much less and get a normal sysadmin to do the same with Linux.
<InPhase>
And suddenly there's no one outside to blame. But there's also not a need to blame, because there's someone in-house who can resolve problems.
<teepee>
InPhase: I suspect it's much more trivial than that. It's just they select a couple of (office-) models they can get for cheap in big batches from like Dell or other big company and they list those as "Windows Desktops"
<InPhase>
teepee: I spent about 1-2 weeks addressing the question of what I would do in the scenario that all the new laptops break, outside of warranty, and Framework goes out of business. I was like... buy new laptops? We spend about $10k total to get each 40 minutes worth of data that these $2.5k laptops will be used for.
<InPhase>
Of course Framework going out of business seems a pretty remote possibility. But even still, this is not a crisis. They're just the best systems on the market today for the purpose.
<InPhase>
There is undoubtedly some frustration leaking into my above commentary, given the 6 weeks of back-and-forth to resolve the problem. ;) I guess the most salient result to take from it is that I think Frameworks have great potential, and that the flexibility, repairability, and general approach to them are giving me high confidence right now.
<InPhase>
And then we'll see how long that holds up for. But it looks pretty promising.
<teepee>
yes, I hope we'll see more companies like that, an that they manage to succeed longterm
<InPhase>
I had to order a new torx kit though. :) My existing torx set had the smallest as T6. And while they sent a perfectly fine tool for dealing with those T5's, it seemed unwise to have only the one tool.
<InPhase>
Despite needing to purchase this extra kit, I for now agree with captive T5 screws for the base seeming like the smart move. Hopefully they hold up over time though.