<InPhase>
Friithian: Well those look like some terrible print qualities. But the hammer byproduct is on-point with my experience. :)
<Friithian>
yeah the print quality was absolute dogshit hence why I am reprinting with ultimaker
<InPhase>
Friithian: Your bed is not leveled to the right z=0 height, and your retraction settings are incorrect for resolving stringing on that printer.
<Friithian>
welcome to makerbot printers
<InPhase>
On many printers this sort of stuff needs adjusted once in a while.
<InPhase>
Moreso if they are prone to a bit of drift.
<Friithian>
I quite literally cannot tune any of those. I can only use the auto z offset setting and hope it is good enough. Which it isn't
<Friithian>
I would've printing on the ultimaker to start with but both machines were tied up doing momre important work
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<J1A84>
InPhase doesn't know how makerbot printer works
<Friithian>
works?
<Friithian>
they don't work :P
<J1A84>
haha yea
<J1A84>
I jammed the bed slide with some paper so the clearance is gone
<Friithian>
We have to put masking tape on the bed to get anything to adhere
<J1A84>
i think that is normal on non heated bed .. i made a hotbed for it that works quite well
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<Friithian>
well the bed comes with adhesion tape stuff
<J1A84>
but need to find how to adjust the z height as this is saved into the hotend chip
<Friithian>
fuck, this replicator+ doesn't even have a bed level option for some reason
<J1A84>
didn't they have the two knobs under the bed anymore with that funny menue where you are pleased to turn until the light goes of
<Friithian>
on the replicator 5th gens we have it has that, and it works pretty well
<Friithian>
on this replicator+ it doesn't have that menu option, and it has hex screws on the bottom
<J1A84>
ohh i was already terrified by the 5th gen
<Friithian>
to level the + you have to start a print and level *WHILE IT IS PRINTING*
<J1A84>
for fine adjustment i tram my bed always that way
<Friithian>
well the bed leveling is good enough for most prints so I
<Friithian>
ll be leaving this lol
<J1A84>
i started with a feeler gauge but after you have it tramed .. it is just turn a little here and there
<Friithian>
I'm not paid enough to care that much about this printer :D
<J1A84>
the fun with makerbot was with the new "smart" hotends and the new software which is not working with the old hotends - but the support told me it would and gave me several links and i was going through different support levels until the dev guy turned out to have no clue how the software react on the old hotend.
<Friithian>
oh you've dealt with the old smart extruders? ooof I feel for you man
<Friithian>
the new ones are bad enough
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<J1A84>
so overpriced what is it 200$ per hotend..
<Friithian>
$250
<J1A84>
that is 250€ Ü
<J1A84>
funny enough that their small spools cost tripple of normal pla
<J1A84>
.. i printed a normal spool holder that fit into the back of that spool slight
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<Friithian>
uhhh I thought euro to usd was about equal?
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<J1A84>
yes 250$ are 250€
<J1A84>
some years ago the smart extruder was sold for 200€ .. so guess the price is now up on the € side
<Friithian>
either way it is waaaayyyy too expensive
<InPhase>
J1A84: I don't own a MakerBot because they are ridiculously expensive. But I assumed at that price point they'd at least print well.
<Friithian>
InPhase: LOL
<InPhase>
If not, what are you all doing buying them? lol
<Friithian>
they're ``education printers''
<InPhase>
Teaching you want not to buy?
<InPhase>
s/want/what/
<Friithian>
they advertise to administrators who have noa fucking clue what they're doing and they buy them
<Friithian>
they work ok out of the box with no tuning, they have ok management software, but other than that… urgh
<Friithian>
but I'm stuck with em
<InPhase>
Friithian: On bad bed adhesion, what I think works much better than masking tape is glue sticks.
<Friithian>
for the makerbots they don't have a good surface for glue, and the masking tape works well enough
<InPhase>
Friithian: You can custom tailor the thickness, the adhesion is superb, and it's relatively straightforward to wash off. Even tiny parts that you don't want to sit there and scrub, you just toss in a cup or something and soak them with a little dish soap and water for 5-10 minutes and come back and they're all clean of adhesive.
<InPhase>
I got tired of masking tape getting printed into the parts in unremovable ways, and stopped playing that game.
<Friithian>
we always print with rafts for the makerbots anyway
<Friithian>
except for the sketches, they have a heated bed and don tneed the tape or glue or rafts
<InPhase>
My printer predates nice bed materials, so I do all my printing on an aluminum plate with gluestick on it. It's not as fancy as the youtube demos of the modern systems, but I pretty much always get perfect adhesion.
<Friithian>
I highly recommend glass beds
<InPhase>
Glass seems to be better for a mirror finish bottom. But I typically don't need the bottom looking better than the sides.
<Friithian>
I've had really good results with glass
<InPhase>
I get a result that is pretty symmetric in its smoothness all around.
<Friithian>
currently printing those nails with PETG, 100% infill, they should be nice
<InPhase>
I will eventually upgrade to something with new features when I decide what those should be. :) But, 6 years of printing so far, and it still works pretty good. My results remain competitive with the bulk of the results I see out there.
<Friithian>
if it works it works lol
<InPhase>
I'm waiting for something to be so much better I have to switch to a new printer.
<InPhase>
Multi-filament all-metal hotend with very good stability might sell me on an upgrade.
<InPhase>
Something with at least 2-4 filament lines running to the hotend.
<Friithian>
go buy an ultimaker s5 for ungodly amounts of money
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<Friithian>
with the material station
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<Friithian>
s5 + material station'll run you around $7k?
<InPhase>
"Hey kids, you know that college fund? Well isn't this much cooler instead?"
<Friithian>
oooh buy a stratasys
<Friithian>
get that with the chemical washing station
<Friithian>
that'll run you around $20k?
<teepee>
hmm, new cgal release, not liking the sound of "2D Straight Skeleton and Polygon Offsetting (breaking change)"
<InPhase>
Friithian: So this is why "no". Look at this 9:40 timepoint: https://youtu.be/nHzoOcd-7uM?t=580 The edges of this print are rippled from non-uniform printing between layers, and there are plastic strings hanging off of the edge. When I see that on my printer that was a $400 kit at 2016 printer prices (and would be $220 now preassembled for the same sort of thing), I conside that kind of edge quality
<othx>
InPhase linked to YouTube video "In-depth, deep-dive review of the Ultimaker S5" => 1 IRC mentions
<InPhase>
to be when it needs some adjustments.
<Friithian>
huh, never had that issue (but unless you have money out the ass/are a company I doesn't actually suggest the S5)
<InPhase>
Friithian: I mark that as potentially uneven temperature regulation, and maybe a nozzle or filament issue for the burst of string.
<InPhase>
Friithian: Well, I picked the first youtube video for ultimaker s5 that wasn't posted by ultimaker. :)
<Friithian>
*shrug*
<Friithian>
also ultimaker uses 2.85mm filament for some odd reason
<teepee>
not so much odd, but old :)
<Friithian>
still odd they've stuck with it, although it isn't like it is worse or anything
<teepee>
I gave away my wooden Ultimaker v1 but the Prusa still has 2.85mm too
<Friithian>
if the machine can pump the heat needed to melt that thick of filament then it works wel
<teepee>
with the now museum style prusa nozzel :)
<teepee>
yeah, it's really only a matter of some filaments starting to come in 1.75 only, but I guess it's going to be around for quite a while still
<Friithian>
and with how big ultimaker is at least the basic filaments will still be made in 2.85mm
<J1A84>
ah 500$ is only the deposit .. ball screw-driven axes, and closed-loop servos, sound nice but doesn't need that expensive
<Scopeuk>
It's an industrial production machine designed to run 400mm's in carbon fiber reinforced pet g. It's just a nicely refined machine. That is however many monies
<J1A84>
there should be ratio between things you print and the cost of your printer. Most people print things that are for games and just sold for more money as they are worth - but a lot of people just printing shit like fidget things or impressive shit https://www.printables.com/model/242463-the-torture-brolly - so a printer for that should not
<J1A84>
pass 200$ .. but as the printer itself becomes a hobby up to 500$ seems to be ok (lot of filament costs seems to be used to print filament holder and boxes and printer upgrades and addons and enclosures)
<Friithian>
if at my makerspace we had more space I'd try and get a resin printer
<J1A84>
nah so nasty we have one in our space but it is very rarely used as it is so much cleaning and preparation and postprocessing and rework ..
<Friithian>
yeah it just isn't viable in such a space
<Friithian>
I still wnat one lol
<J1A84>
also if you don't use expensive (really expensive) resin they are not usable for mechanical parts
<Friithian>
we have a stratasys f170 for mechanical parts
<J1A84>
i mean resin printer are from the printer itself the least mechanics
<Friithian>
although we barely can get people ot use normal 3d printers correctly, giving them resin would be bad
<J1A84>
haha yeah we have a mill and a CNC mill .. guess which is not used because you need some knowledge to move it
<Friithian>
yup ,we have a small CNC mill and an 4x8ft CNC table, neither are used that much
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<Scopeuk>
Those sort of machine are awsome for a big group project or mass production (or for something hugely intricate) but the setup time is a bit much for what's basically a fancy bracket
<Friithian>
the 4x8 is pretty nice actually, we're getting a vac holddown next week
<Scopeuk>
Nice
<Scopeuk>
I do wish the nearest namespace was closer
<Scopeuk>
The nearest two are nearly an hour away
<Scopeuk>
And the closest one is still trying to bootstrap after splitting out of its parent one 4 years ago
<Scopeuk>
S/namespace/makespace
<Friithian>
this is my uni's makerspace that I work at, lovely place, administration is stupid though