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<gbruno> [github] t-paul pushed 3 additions 2 modifications (Merge pull request #4242 from mmalecki/fix-import-json-module-relative-path Fix using a relative path to `import` JSON in a `use`d file.) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/commit/4c23017bd9ae199cc1848ddb7866e8a4db4e9d95
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<gbruno> [github] t-paul pushed 1 additions 1 modifications (Add catchnhole library.) https://github.com/openscad/openscad.github.com/commit/f50f4d88070ba50551aef11f0dc9437e3254d4ca
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<J2249> that turned out nice https://imgur.com/a/zqm3RU7
<InPhase> Thing of beauty. You took the stl into blender?
<J2249> no  that is just the windows 3mf viewer
<J2249> (which will f up your 3mf if you dare to save it )
<teepee> ah, that thing. I did not know it can do fancy display too
<teepee> it always wanted to print the models somewhere :)
<J2249> easy to use for coloring  and such  - but with 60% chance the 3mf will have transformations applied  - so when you print they are ok but your slicer will say something like  "scaled 2150%"
<J2249> but you get your thumbnail and license / author info   ( but  the 3mf is compressed in a way you can not change or add anything anymore)
<J2249> (and it can not save an image of the scene .. so it is shift+win+s
<J2249> )
<dTal> J2249: oh my word, details pls
<dTal> How did you design the blades shapes and how did you program them in openscad
<dTal> and what's it for?
<J2249> it is a profile lofted  along ..  it is for a extruder motion visualizer (prusa contest)
<dTal> right but you can't loft along a path in openscad, or change the profile as you do so
<J2249> with my lib i can
<dTal> wow
<J2249> ( same can be done with InPhase closepoints)
<dTal> did you do any aerodynamic analysis?
<dTal> or is it a 'looks cool' design? (nothing wrong with that)
<J2249> haha  no - it is for an extruder .. so it just look like an jet fan
<J2249> i also cut the bottom so it can be printed better
<dTal> so it's a cooling fan?
<dTal> I mean a fan is a fan
<J2249> no it is a motion visualizer  ..
<dTal> looks like a fan to me
<J2249> so you see your stepper is rotating ..  there are people wanting this on their printer Ü
<J2249> it probably would work as a fan too
<dTal> oh so the cool shape is just for show?
<J2249> yes
<dTal> I can't really read your code
<J2249> i am not sure on that scale it would even make aerodynamically sense to use such a shape
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<dTal> the main thing it doesn't seem to have is blade twist
<J2249> can i help you with reading the code?
<dTal> you could indent it properly :p
<J2249> the blade is twisted and the length getting bigger and a sin wave is added
<dTal> I'm struck because it looks almost exactly like the rotors I make, including the sine wave sweep pattern
<dTal> if you just winged it, you did a damn good job
<J2249> winged ?
<dTal> improvised
<dTal> made up numbers as you went
<J2249> yes just played a bit with the variables until it looked a bit like a comercial
<J2249> then i optimized for printability ( thicker blades less cambered so less overhang to print)
<J2249> need to fit an a NEMA17 so it is less 40mm
<Scopeuk> the fun bit with the ultra fan is the gear box behind it
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<J2249> is that some 200:1  thing ?
<J2249> (like in helicopter)
<Scopeuk> its not that drastic iirc but it is good to ludicrous power
<Scopeuk> 87,000 horsepower or 64 megawatts
<Scopeuk> its a silly beast
<J2249> it is intressting how the shape changed to less and wider blades
<dTal> this is the sort of thing I print https://imgur.com/a/gKW3Rc6
<J2249> looks more usable .. are these waves not just for noise cancelling?
<dTal> So they say - I think they're just there to look cool :)
<dTal> I can actually see how it might reduce noise by offsetting the start of the pressure wave along the span, which means if you have straight stator blades the wave doesn't hit the stator all at once
<J2249> the fillet on the hub is nice
<dTal> thank you :D I'm very proud of it
<J2249> is that a separate part where you moved a fillet along the profile and hub arc?
<J2249> getting this with the sweep would be a lot of math
<J2249> scopeuk  just checked the most powerfull azimuth thruster have 22MW (4× at Queen Marry2) RR Mermaid
<J2249> never thought a jet engine would have more power than the biggest ships
<dTal> Ah no the fillet is done simply by swelling the profile during the extrude
<dTal> still a lot of math, because obviously I don't have minkowski() - have to calculate the local derivate of the curve and offset it that way
<J2249> but how is it curved like the hub.   swelling the extrude would make it flat  or?
<dTal> the extrude is done before the conversion into polar coordinates
<dTal> this is also why the tips are curved :)
<J2249> ah  that is interesting  .. have never done that .. maybe i should write something to apply a polar distortion - sounds useful
<dTal> it makes sense because the blade profiles are also calculated in terms of radial station
<J2249> yes for rotating blades absolutely
<J2249> cylindrical is probably enough .. can imagine where spherical would be  useful except projections
<J2249> and you need enough segments or need to calculate subdivision when bending a straight line
<dTal> indeed
<dTal> if you wanted to be extra fancy you could also consolidate segments which were curved and are now straight :)
<J2249> i think CGAL is already doing that
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<J2249> at least you can not make a cube with more than 8 points (or square with more than 4)
<J2249> i wonder if this wouldn't be a funny official SCAD module   polar_extrude
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<gbruno> [github] t-paul closed issue #3981 (Add preference option to swap left and right mouse buttons.) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/3981
<gbruno> [github] t-paul pushed 8 modifications (Merge pull request #4241 from osfesa/issue3981 Add Option to Invert Mouse Buttons on 3DView.) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/commit/68c63f61b1fb9ce008c8e71c1b6374ef4850f434
<gbruno> [github] t-paul pushed 1 modifications (Add Ubuntu 22.04.) https://github.com/openscad/openscad.github.com/commit/5677af80d449830f4c8c49b91ff15f9355cf1216
<InPhase> dTal: OpenSCAD can produce pretty much any shape computable, if you have the computer resources for it. polyhedron guarantees that, along with the general purpose features of the computing part of the language. It just takes some work to build up the right library pieces to make it easy.
<InPhase> dTal: And in the vast majority of cases, the compute part is not the overhead, so it doesn't even matter that the interpreter part of the compute runs is below native performance.
<InPhase> Generally computing with polyhedron is much faster than normal CGAL operations.
<InPhase> A pretty decent fraction of my library work has been on just this. J2249 has taken up the same sort of philosophy, and has been more prolific than me in various options, made possible because J2249 saves time by not pressing the space bar. ;)
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