00:06 <InPhase> peepsalot: Make a cube, use the angle/scale reset buttons, move the mouse to the left portion of the display window and zoom out, then rotate until the cube is back in the center of the screen, then position the mouse over the cube and zoom back in so the cube again fills the window as it did at the start, then try to rotate it. The cube will go flying out of the display window.

00:07 <InPhase> peepsalot: You can have two identical displays on the screen, and the behavior of rotation depends not on the state of the window, but on the history of how you got there.

00:11 <peepsalot> hmm, yeah i see your point, but i'm not sure hysteresis is the right term for it. that's just a consequence of having center of orbit which is outside / in-front-of the camera

00:12 <InPhase> Well spoiler I use physics terms. ;) But I think it fits.

00:12 <InPhase> But yeah, overall it's really pretty goofy and unintuitive as a user experience I think.

00:13 <InPhase> The usable way to deal with it is to keep resetting the display, but we should probably have a more intelligent handling of it in some manner that doesn't lead to this problem.

00:14 <InPhase> rue_mohr: Hmm, come to think of it, what happens with your revised approach when you do the same? Is this aspect unaltered because the center of orbit remains the same? Or did your changes alter this behavior?

00:23 <peepsalot> the mouse-centric zooming could probably be improved, if it were to incorporate a depth test for objects under the cursor

00:24 <peepsalot> then it could keep the orbit distance $vpd, equal to the distance to the surface

00:40 <rue_mohr> apr 1 !

00:48 <peepsalot> oh... dissapointing

00:50 <rue_mohr> nobody will ever fix that gimbal-locked view!

00:52 <peepsalot> because its not actually a problem in practice?

00:58 <peepsalot> openscad has plenty of long-existing quirks and issues, but gimbal lock feels like an odd one to fixate on, even as a "joke"

07:40 <J2215> another flower pot https://imgur.com/a/MeWjRym

08:12 <gbruno> [github] MichaelPFrey pushed 2 additions 1 modifications (clean up) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/commit/df0cc3875be7e9504b96e3ef8df2a76f40c570a6

09:09 <Scopeuk> I bumped into gimbal locking when I was playing with view control using the Google day dream remotes, never did figure out where it was introduced, always assumed it was my code

14:52 <dTal> teeapea

14:52 <teepee> J2215: thanks, I'll keep that for later, now pancakes and coffee :)

14:53 <teepee> there was a book with a character teepeeteepee :) not sure about the speelling, I have to yet find that again

14:53 <teepee> IIRC that was about a frog

14:53 <teepee> magic frog

14:53 <dTal> nice saturday vibes on IRC today - you're having pancakes and coffee, I'm having cream teas and iced coffee, someone in the PinePhone IRC was also having cream teas...

14:54 <teepee> not having yet, but the pan is already getting up to temperature, so, sooooooon

14:54 <J2215> if we would use the german tee and english pee  .. well  ..  lets not do this

14:55 <teepee> yep, only once nobody thinks about eating things :P

14:55 <teepee> I made the error before having dinner and watching big clive live stream. sometimes not an advisable combination

14:57 <J2215> because you forgot to eat?

14:58 <J2215> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbC6pdp3PKQ  learn something new every day

14:58 <othx> J2215 linked to YouTube video "Novel rosin vapour short circuit finder" => 1 IRC mentions

15:05 <J2215> and the joke is back ..  i think those april jokes doesn't work in internet times - to much is possible

16:24 <J2215> ok now i am having pancakes too . .well i replaced the milk with cheese .. which is chemically or biologically not that far

17:57 <teepee> oh, no, so pancakes are contagious too? we are doomed :)

18:04 <dTal> pancdemic

18:16 <teepee> scary

18:24 <J2215> food .. worst drug of all

18:25 <J2215> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh76-p3tdUk   (sorry german)

18:25 <othx> J2215 linked to YouTube video "Unser Hirn ist, was es isst | Doku HD Reupload | ARTE" => 1 IRC mentions

18:33 <InPhase> "The uploader has not made this video available in your country"

18:34 <teepee> haha, so you need to move to france :P

18:35 <teepee> do they really geoblock the arte stuff?

18:36 <teepee> uff, available till 02/09/22, so they even take it down after a while?

20:14 <J2215> that is all this fing law https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depublizieren

20:16 <J2215> privat companies sued as it would be unfair because if everything is available founded with public money - they can't sell shit

20:22 <J2215> but with the arte docu it is probably like netflix  they have the right only for some time