<Oksana>
Wizzup: Not too bad, but that's 11yo device, didn't anybody release anything better since then? Is its 4G compatible with Australian Optus? Probably no RGB backlight for keyboard.
<Oksana>
At this rate, KaiOS is tempting.
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<Wizzup>
no, no rgb backlight keyboard...
* Wizzup
zzz
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<inky>
i am using d4 as my main mobile device since january 2023. more than a year.
<inky>
and i must say i cannot advice doing that. (:
<Oksana>
inky: Cannot? Laggy, or what are the problems?
<inky>
screen is small for people used to bigger screens. even to me it is harder to read from it. and other main problem is that the best browser for it is that qt demo browser and it becomes slow very fast if you open several tabs.
<inky>
if i need to show someone something from the web i tell them 'search for it' instead of finding myself and showing.
<Oksana>
Would /etc/hosts adblock help?
<inky>
just a web page may be too heavy for it. and of course you must forget videos.
<Oksana>
Nokia N900 played videos just fine, I thought :-/
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<inky>
i dont think so, modern web is so complicated anyway. i have an dblock ah home but using d4 is still hard.
<inky>
i think it can play 320x240 but waybe not. 120p certainly.
<inky>
for n900 i remember i was converting videos.
<inky>
again, you just cannot open lots of tabs or use firefox.
<arno11>
through yt-dlp, no probs to play online 360p videos
<inky>
but i use it, i run dino on it all the time, i used pidgin on it all the time.
<Oksana>
Nokia N900 had Fennec, Firefox for mobile. Of course, it's ancient now.
<inky>
> through yt-dlp, no probs to play online 360p videos
<inky>
good! thats not what people expect though.
<Oksana>
800x480 resolution, do not try to play videos of higher resolution
<dsc_>
inky: you are using leste yeah?
<inky>
you can use just firefox for the desktop. i have my scripts running it in mobile touch friendly mode. but on d4 you must wait five minutes for it to start. on pinephone (not pro) you feel that it can run same firefox and open mny tbs without problems.
<dsc_>
probably gives better experience than qt demo browser
<inky>
i broke the screen of my xperia in dec 31 2022 and decided since then i will use d4.
<inky>
i think i tried it? i'll try again. ty.
<dsc_>
it does not support multiple tabs or windows... should probably make that
<arno11>
btw links2 (gui mode) is still faster than everything else on old devices, with lot of options/settings. (not for video browsing ofc)
<arno11>
it's like 'opera mini' but with far more options and compatible websites
<arno11>
*like opera mini: i mean, the user exp
<inky>
well i think modern web should not be used. (: that's why i packaged lagrange gemini browser.
<inky>
and i have to make it rotatable one day i guess?
<inky>
and on my computer i have http to gemini proxy which allows me to view many pages with gemini browsec.
<inky>
also i like projects like https://epicyon.net/ - works with console browsers, doesnt require js at all.
<inky>
so i try to use more of what is usable.
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<inky>
alas the activity pub software i run isn't that. it didn't exist back then. and it needs browser js. so opening it from d4 is always a problem. i need to write an app for it probably, that would be a solution.
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<inky>
that http to gemini proxy didnt compile on chimaera, i need to understand why.
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<freemangordon>
Wizzup: help! GVariant drives me mad :(
<freemangordon>
this is what g_variant_print(value, TRUE) results in
<freemangordon>
that's what I try to get as "(sa{sv})"
* sicelo
isn't too free right now ... but what interface are you on, and what are you looking to extract
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<sicelo>
nokia-n900:~$ busctl call org.ofono /n900_2 org.ofono.SupplementaryServices I
<sicelo>
nitiate s '*#43#'
<sicelo>
sv "CallWaiting" (sa{sv}) "interrogation" 5 "VoiceCallWaiting" s "enabled" "FaxCallWaiting" s "disabled" "SmsCallWaiting" s "disabled" "DataSyncCallWaiting" s "disabled" "DataAsyncCallWaiting" s "disabled"
<freemangordon>
sicelo: yes, this is what I want to parse from C code
<freemangordon>
it comes as GVariant
<sicelo>
freemangordon: so if i read this correctly and looking at your gvariant print output ... this is "sv", with the (sa{sv}) being another "v" :)
<freemangordon>
hmm... ok, lemme try it
<freemangordon>
oh, no
<freemangordon>
the 's' part I already have, as operation_name
<freemangordon>
so it is the 'v' part I want to parse
<freemangordon>
so trying to pares the 'v' as '(sa{sv})' gives the ^^^ error
<sicelo>
ah ok. was mixing it with your pastebin. so operation_name is "CallWaiting", i guess?
<freemangordon>
yes
<sicelo>
what's the NULL?
<freemangordon>
I do not need the 's' part of '(sa{sv})'
<freemangordon>
"interrogation"
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<freemangordon>
ok, got it
<sicelo>
ok great. what was missing?
<freemangordon>
I have to first upack one variant
<freemangordon>
g_variant_get_variant()
<freemangordon>
and then use that variant to unpack the structure
<sicelo>
sure, makes sense
* sicelo
is playing with ell dbus these days
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: yeah I think that is also what I did in wpasupplicant icd module
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<sicelo>
freemangordon: wow that was quick response from ofono folk :p
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<peetah>
exit
<freemangordon>
sicelo: yeah
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<sicelo>
freemangordon: Wizzup: may i abuse you for a moment ... https://paste.debian.net/1307567/ .. this segfaults on line 61. any obvious reason?
<sicelo>
oh, damn. i see what's wrong now
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<Wizzup>
good ole rubber duck debugging
<sicelo>
yeah, i've been stumped for quite a while, and just after writing here, i immediately saw my mistake
<diejuse>
Hello. Is there any relationship between the space bar key and screen rotation? (although it may sound strange). I've been testing some virtual keyboards and when I press the space bar with the screen in portrait mode, Maemo reverts to landscape mode.
<Wizzup>
hildon-desktop might rotate if windows show up that do not suport portrait mode
<Wizzup>
that is about all I can think of
<diejuse>
What seems strangest to me is that it only happens when I press the space bar key
<diejuse>
inky has observed the same thing as me using the virtual image.
<Wizzup>
it would be easier if we could reproduce it
<Wizzup>
in qemu?
<inky>
no no in droid4
<inky>
on droid 4 if i force device to portrait mode
<inky>
run osso-xterm
<inky>
then press any buttun with x11 kbd of my friend, these buttons are getting sent. if whitespace - the device goes back to landscape and it is impossible to get it back to porttrait.
<inky>
i cannot reproduce it with hwkbd because if i open hwkbd device goes to landscape.
<inky>
and if i type with maemo vkbd then it doesnt actually send whitespace to app, it types in the keyboard's own buffer.
<Wizzup>
maybe check dbus-monitor and see if anything interesting happens
<diejuse>
Exactly, only when the blank character is sent (keycode 65)
<diejuse>
*whitespace
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<Wizzup>
sounds like a github bug report would help, especially if it explains how to reproduce
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