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<freemangordon> Wizzup: how do you think, do we still have upstream for telepahty?
<Wizzup> I was planning to email the tp mailing list once we have it working well enough and see what people say
<freemangordon> I joined #telepathy here, there are few people in the room
<freemangordon> lets see if they have anything in common with tp :)
<freemangordon> because I want my work on haze upstreamed
<freemangordon> (the planned work)
<Wizzup> nlnet has also said that if tp upstream isn't active, that maybe we could become upstream
<Wizzup> I guess parts of fdo are still down
<freemangordon> yeah, does not look very active
<freemangordon> most are up though
<freemangordon> does nlnet offer budget if we become TP upstream?
<Wizzup> there might be some
<freemangordon> like, if we have, we may ask som of the ex-tp upstream guys to join
<Wizzup> I'm waiting for us ot be 'ready enough' with the tp work, so sphone/conversations working well, integrated in maemo, which is very close I think
<Wizzup> maybe, but they don't pay top salary for sure, so don't know if posssible
<freemangordon> so, you think I shall hold my horses with tp-haze MUC chats?
<Wizzup> are you sure haze doesn't do channels?
<freemangordon> 'multi-user'
<Wizzup> I think I loaded the slack purple plugin and I thought it worked
<Wizzup> but I might be confusing it with bitlbee
<freemangordon> it does, but IM (person-to-person) only
<Wizzup> hm
<Wizzup> well, I don't think haze muc is urgent, but if you like to work on it, go for it :)
<Wizzup> I would definitely love it personally
<Wizzup> so this was working for sure
<Wizzup> that is a channel with people
<Wizzup> oh, in pidgin :D
<Wizzup> heh
<Wizzup> okay
<freemangordon> right :)
<freemangordon> not in TP
<freemangordon> facebook group chat works in pidgin
<freemangordon> but not in tp
<Wizzup> I think the other thing you mentioned, improving phone cpa and the connui cellular libs is also very useful, and there is qt5 vkb
<Wizzup> I see
<Wizzup> I think just pick whichever :D
<freemangordon> and having that working is a big selling point IMO
<Wizzup> mhm
<freemangordon> I know, but me personally would prefer to have working FB chats when we have conversations :)
<Wizzup> I think it's very useful
<freemangordon> yeah
<freemangordon> not only FB will gain from that
<Wizzup> we'll also eventually have to figure out how to add new tp interfaces and generate glib/qt code for them
<Wizzup> (for OMEMO for example, I think)
<freemangordon> it is auto-generated :)
<freemangordon> from interface definition, IIUC
<Wizzup> still have to figure it out :D
<freemangordon> yeah
<freemangordon> but lets first reach that point
<Wizzup> mhm
<freemangordon> ok, I will pull latest haze code and will start working on it
<freemangordon> perhaps you could write to TP ML in the meanwhile
<Wizzup> I would like to write them in the new year when we have something to show off
<Wizzup> like, 'we have tp working well here and plan to stick to it'
<freemangordon> ok
<Wizzup> I have to go afk soon
<freemangordon> ok
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<freemangordon> hmm, actually the latest haze release is from 3 years ago
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<arno11> freemangordon: audio and video links received in conversations through fb messenger work (like bitlbee in fact), we just need a way to open them directly in conversations :)
<arno11> but pictures don't show any link (and it was the same with bitlbee iirc)
<arno11> actually to play links, the trick is to export chat, copy the link in the file and open it with mplayer
<arno11> and it works
<arno11> audio quality is really good btw, video is low res
<arno11> bbl
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<freemangordon> I guess this is a matter of UI (showing pictures)
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<Wizzup> on the tp topic there are also various unmerged pull requests for gabble/wocky
<freemangordon> gabble is gmail?
<freemangordon> umm... gtalk
<freemangordon> or whatever it was called
<Wizzup> xmpp
<Wizzup> jabber
<Wizzup> but yes, gtalk as well probably, since I think that is just xmpp
<freemangordon> yeah, but it is no more, they stopped the servers
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<Wizzup> well, xmpp is not dead, it's very alive and kicking
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<Wizzup> I do audio and video calls with people using my self hosted server and dino (xmpp client for desktop), to their smartphones using a foss app for xmpp
<Wizzup> so it seems like a great fit imo
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<Wizzup> norayr: are there any updates to amazfish that we can push? I have a pinetime here
<norayr> there is a new release which i didn't package.
<norayr> but pinetime should work with the current almost last release.
<norayr> (norayr is also inky also maxwelld)
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<maxwelld> test
<maxwelld> yes that's me.
<Wizzup> ok
<norayr> let me know if it works. i tested it with other watch, and it only worked on pinephone, not on d4.
<Wizzup> right
<Wizzup> the d4 might not have the right bt hw
<Wizzup> I think uvos pointed this out at some point as well
<norayr> and make sure to read the wiki. because it is indeed hard to use that app. (:
<norayr> at least with my amazfish bip which is the first watch it actually started to support.
<Wizzup> maemo wiki, or another wiki?
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<uvos> Wizzup: so the wl1285c is a bluetooth 3.0 raido, and the d4 was never advertised with bluetooth low energy support. The 1285c is a special custom variant presumably made to order for motorola buuuut...
<uvos> check this out
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<uvos> this is an even older part and ti claims: "Software-upgradable for ANT & Bluetooth low energy (BLE)"
<uvos> so now i wonder if we can make 1285c also do ble
<uvos> or if it should even work allready maybe
<bencoh> if it has support for ble and we already have working bt, then I'd say it should work
<bencoh> one could try with hcitool lescan for instance
<uvos> well it wasend advertised as sutch
<bencoh> if it wasn't advertised as such then it's a different question
<uvos> but i gues the 127x and 128x are software upgrableto do it
<bencoh> but testing should be rather straightforward
<uvos> yeah
<Wizzup> sounds like a fun experiment :)
<Wizzup> is there any doc on how to do this?
<uvos> bencoh is just suggesting to use hcitool to scan for ble devices
<uvos> obv that will show some if it already works
<Wizzup> that's a good start
<uvos> so no documentation required for that
<bencoh> yeah, just 'hcitool lescan'
<uvos> other than that if it dosent allready work presumably we need to find firmware to load that enables the feature, and look at the kernel driver
<bencoh> (I have no d4 here right no)
<bencoh> (now*)
<Wizzup> blasphemy
<uvos> i dont have a single ble client device so im not a good candate
<Wizzup> I haven't ever connected my pinetime to anything, so I don't know how to get it to show itself, but I'll try
<uvos> you will probubly want to bluetoothctl instead, not sure if hcitool is still around (seams not in arch)
<Wizzup> well, it'd be on leste so we'll have hcitool I think
<uvos> not sure but bluetoothctl you have for sure
<Wizzup> ok
<uvos> its "scan le" there
<Wizzup> I have to leave the train in a minute, but I will try to check some time soon
<Wizzup> btw there might just be LE devices around you from other people that might show up
<Wizzup> depending on where you are I guess
<uvos> visible ble devices are pretty unlikly in a small german village
<Wizzup> :)
<Wizzup> I had expected the cows to be equipped with ble sensors
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<bencoh> Wizzup: the train should be a good place to try that, with lots of people there :>
<bencoh> (well, I guess you already left the train)
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