<Wizzup>
freemangordon: ok, I pushed some code that should do logging correct for channels and regular chats, and if you are already in the channel (still tbd) then you can also send to the channel
<Wizzup>
note that the #maemo-leste listed below is from a different irc account (fremantle)
<Wizzup>
same for the message just above it
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<Wizzup>
I'll look at the abook pieces again tomorrow and then tag a new build
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<freemangordon>
Wizzup: cool
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<arno11>
Wizzup: nice :)
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<Wizzup>
freemangordon: do we want the 'has left' and 'has joined' messages in the rtcom log? I know fremantle does it
<Wizzup>
or I guess we can make showing them optional
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<freemangordon>
maybe optional, disabled by default
<freemangordon>
but in either case we'd better log them
<freemangordon>
and filter only visibility
<freemangordon>
Wizzup: how would we display multiple operators (in case of multiple modems)?
<freemangordon>
sicelo: ^^^
<freemangordon>
in status bar that is
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<Wizzup>
no clue
<freemangordon>
heh
<Wizzup>
I find the whole dual sim hard to reason about in general
<freemangordon>
well...
<freemangordon>
lots of people use it, so ...
<Wizzup>
mhm
<freemangordon>
do we want to support more than 2 modems?
<freemangordon>
like N modems
<Wizzup>
I don't think anything does
<freemangordon>
hmm, ok
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<Wizzup>
don't take my word for it though :)
<mdz>
Hello you all.
<mdz>
Haven't checked on the project for a while, how's everything going?
<sicelo>
freemangordon: android puts the names side by side, separating them with the pipe symbol. then they scroll the list if necessary
<freemangordon>
ok, I was thinking of something about that
<sicelo>
then again, android doesn't display opername permanently (in violation of the 3GPP recommendations)
<freemangordon>
I wonder if gtklabel markup allows auto scrolling
<freemangordon>
hmm, no
<Wizzup>
mdz: hello
<freemangordon>
sicelo: what about just switching the text every few seconds?
<Wizzup>
mdz: steady progress I would say, anothew newspost will come in a week or two, then we /should/ also have our communications parts somewhat in order, at least for alpha version
<freemangordon>
along with icon/digit identifying the SIM we provide info for
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: I think that's not ideal
<Wizzup>
and very distracting
<freemangordon>
agree, but can;t think of anything better
<Wizzup>
two lines, below each other, if there is another one
<freemangordon>
and if we have 3 or more?
<Wizzup>
?
<Wizzup>
triple sim?
<freemangordon>
why not
<freemangordon>
in theory :)
<freemangordon>
also, you may attach external modem, no?
<freemangordon>
to your dual-sim device
<sicelo>
yes two lines is fine, if our widget supports it
<freemangordon>
I mean... lets try to come-up with universal solution first
<sicelo>
more than 2 ... then we can start scrolling the list up once in a while ... but this is not going to be a very common use case
<Wizzup>
I don't think it makes sense to pollute the desktop like this
<Wizzup>
we can have separate widgets for another sim, and maybe the user can just add them / place them
<Wizzup>
(on the desktop)
<freemangordon>
and we display only 2 in status menu?
<freemangordon>
which 2?
<sicelo>
two sims can/will be common, so 2nd sim makes sense in status menu. it's 3 and more that are unusual
<sicelo>
*uncommon
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: just one
<freemangordon>
only one?
<Wizzup>
I'm saying that people could use 'add widgets' to add more for another sim
<Wizzup>
as an alternative
<sicelo>
i'm not so sure about that :-)
<freemangordon>
it has a reason, but we shall support 2 sims case in status menu
<sicelo>
yes, i am for supporting 2 in status menu
<Wizzup>
btw freemangordon did you notice the difference between 'New IM' in fremantle conversations and the menu 'Send IM to' ?
<freemangordon>
I don't think I never used conversations to start IM :)
<Wizzup>
'New IM' seems to exclusively use contacts
<freemangordon>
hmm
<Wizzup>
'Send IM to' is tp account list + free text
<freemangordon>
ah
<freemangordon>
umm, why is that
<Wizzup>
just what nokia did
<freemangordon>
like, what that can be used for?
<Wizzup>
well, how do you message someone who is not a contact yet?
<freemangordon>
no idea :)
<Wizzup>
well, using 'Send IM to'
<freemangordon>
yeah, right
<freemangordon>
but...
<freemangordon>
why should I message someone that is not known to me? Sounds weird, that's it
<sicelo>
you can ... first time
<freemangordon>
wait, IRC allows sending messages to someone without joining a room?
<sicelo>
yes, it does
<freemangordon>
abh
<freemangordon>
*ah
<freemangordon>
it makes sense then
<freemangordon>
usually you can't, without authorization
<sicelo>
most IM platforms supports it, including WA, although they can eventually ban you if you excessively message people who aren't your contacts
<freemangordon>
ok
<sicelo>
after the "Send TO IM", iirc Maemo did show the prompt for the 2nd person to accept your chat request
<freemangordon>
pidgin here didn't do it
<freemangordon>
on the PC that is
<Wizzup>
xmpp allows for this just fine too
<freemangordon>
ok, ok, got it :)
<dsc_>
telegram too
<dsc_>
did you know fmg? :P
<freemangordon>
really? oh, thats so cool :D
<freemangordon>
what is telegram :p
<dsc_>
:>
<freemangordon>
dsc_: being UI dev, how to display 2 and more operators in the status bar?
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<dsc_>
im actually a python dev
<dsc_>
but I convinced everyone I am a UI dev
<dsc_>
freemangordon: 2 and more operators... explain?
<freemangordon>
if you have a device with 3 sim cards
<dsc_>
oh phone operators
<freemangordon>
mhm
<dsc_>
twice the icon or whatever is displayed right now
<freemangordon>
the question is about the operator names
<dsc_>
generally the icon displays the signal strength, no?
<dsc_>
ok
<freemangordon>
icons are clear
<Wizzup>
don't we need separate signal strength for each sim?
<sicelo>
we do
<freemangordon>
not only, it displays connectios as well
<freemangordon>
yes, we do
<dsc_>
comma delimited should be fine
<dsc_>
becomes annoying when operator names are long
<dsc_>
may want to trim it
<freemangordon>
ok, I think we shall limit to 2
<freemangordon>
so, display operator 1 and 2 (and icons for them) in status bar
<freemangordon>
everything else can be supported by widget, as Wizzup said
* sicelo
agrees
<dsc_>
not sure if the user should be constantly reminded about the specific operator names themselves, it takes up screen real estate
<dsc_>
the user is already aware which SIM cards they installed
<dsc_>
the user is only interested in that maemo detects them properly
<sicelo>
actually 3GPP recommendations want operator name to be displayed at all times :-)
<freemangordon>
dsc_: to me it seems we will be able to fit text for 2 operators without any issue
<dsc_>
alright
<freemangordon>
now it is centered vertically
<freemangordon>
and UUIC the is enough place for second row
<sicelo>
where it helps is ... if your sim starts roaming, you need to know who you're connected to, so you don't make calls that'll charge you a lot
<freemangordon>
without making it bigger
<freemangordon>
dsc_: remember, not everybody lives in EU
<freemangordon>
also, if you live in BG and you are close to turkish border, you don;t want to roam ;)
<freemangordon>
etc
<freemangordon>
sicelo: speaking of which, why do we want another icon when roaming
<dsc_>
same goes for serbia I've heard ^^
<dsc_>
people getting insane bills
<freemangordon>
given that network operator name is appended
<freemangordon>
dsc_: yeah
<sicelo>
freemangordon: you don't always see the name
<freemangordon>
how's that?
<sicelo>
you only see the name when you're on standby screen :-)
<freemangordon>
no
<freemangordon>
it is always visible in status menu
<freemangordon>
BTW, what "standby screen" is?
<freemangordon>
ah
<sicelo>
'home' screen
<freemangordon>
I see what you mean
<freemangordon>
ok
<freemangordon>
yeah, makes sense
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<sicelo>
so yeah, that's also why there's no screen real estate being taken up @dsc_ ... you can't display anything else there anyway
<dsc_>
kk
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<Wizzup>
marteen: let me know if you have more specific questions/interests in the progress
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<ungeskriptet>
tmlind: Is it possible that the OMAP USB boot mode has been changed on some OMAP SoCs? I'm trying to alter the boot configuration on Sony Ericsson Satio with OMAP 3430 and after making the sys_boot5 pin HIGH, it doesn't boot into any special USB mode (according to dmesg on my host, at least). It only boots into "SEMC USB Flash" mode which it
<ungeskriptet>
already did before making sys_boot5 HIGH
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<sch>
📱️ Happy New Year to one and all!
<norly>
Same, happy new year, wherever you are and whenever it may actually start!
<sch>
(=
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<sicelo>
btw uvos ... some day when you work on sphone - it's not a missed call if you hangup an incoming call, at least not in general :-)