uvos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
Pali has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
Oksanaa has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
Oksanaa has joined #maemo-leste
sunshavi_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
buZz has joined #maemo-leste
joerg has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
joerg has joined #maemo-leste
macros_ has joined #maemo-leste
macros__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
mardy has joined #maemo-leste
xmn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
_inky has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
inky has joined #maemo-leste
inky_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
_inky has joined #maemo-leste
Armen has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)]
Armen has joined #maemo-leste
uvos has joined #maemo-leste
Daanct12 has joined #maemo-leste
Pali has joined #maemo-leste
Danct12 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
pere has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
amk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
amk has joined #maemo-leste
pere has joined #maemo-leste
inky has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
inky has joined #maemo-leste
inky_ has joined #maemo-leste
inky has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
inky has joined #maemo-leste
inky_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
uvos has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
inky has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
pere has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
_inky has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
pere has joined #maemo-leste
_inky has joined #maemo-leste
sunshavi has joined #maemo-leste
inky has joined #maemo-leste
System_Error has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
huckg has joined #maemo-leste
frency has joined #maemo-leste
frency has left #maemo-leste [#maemo-leste]
inky has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
inky has joined #maemo-leste
_inky has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
_inky has joined #maemo-leste
pere has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
pere has joined #maemo-leste
Danct12 has joined #maemo-leste
Daanct12 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
xmn has joined #maemo-leste
<Wizzup> uvos: the d3 image boots, but it's unstable in the sense that it resets, but this is an unfortunate known problem
<Wizzup> hm, I don't see any apps in the launcher on the d3 though
<Wizzup> probably some fs corruption: hd_launcher_tree_populate: Failed to load tree: Error on line 1 char 1: Document must begin with an element (e.g. <book>)
<huckg> The control panel on my bionic says 'Battery calibration needed'. How is that done?
<Wizzup> typically by letting the battery drain almost entirely and then charge it
<huckg> thanks.
<Wizzup> how is it working on you, the bionic, in general?
* Wizzup is wondering what the biggest pain points are
<huckg> I am using it for playing podcasts, I installed gpodder but the gui doesn't work: I can touch a menu and it opens, but I cannot activate any of the menu items. Then it will typically freeze up the device.
<Wizzup> these might be maemo patches here: maemo.org/packages/view/gpodder/
<huckg> A new issue I noticed today with the Calendar app: If I try to add a new event, the virtual keyboard does not come up when I click in the text box.
<Wizzup> huckg: yeah, the virtual keyboard not auto showing in qt is a known problem, you can raise it with the button to raise the vkb, but we need to fix that
<huckg> Oh yeah, I forgot about the button.
<Wizzup> I suspect the gpodder on maemo.org is very old, but the ui patches probably made it quite usable
<huckg> I will try that gpodder out sometime today, and report back..
<huckg> What is the thinking behind not using the volume buttons to control volume?
<humpelstilzchen[> they could not decide which button increases and decreases volume :D
<sicelo> huckg: what does the volume button do?
elastic_dog has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
elastic_dog has joined #maemo-leste
<Wizzup> huckg: I was hoping the gpodder there would be a set of patches on top of gpodder, but it doesn't seem to be
<Wizzup> huckg: so it might be harder to take the maemo patches
<Wizzup> huckg: try apt install maemo-statusmenu-volume
<Wizzup> huckg: and then pkill status
<Wizzup> (wrt volume)
<Wizzup> but a few more things are necessary, like the pa line uvos mentioned
<Wizzup> humpelstilzchen[: it's funny, but not quite true, other things lack
<Wizzup> humpelstilzchen[: ;)
<humpelstilzchen[> scnr
<Wizzup> :P
<huckg> sicelo: The volume button will change the size of the font in the terminal.
<huckg> volume up -> bigger text, volume down->smaller text
<Wizzup> uvos: btw, debugfs is not mounted in the images it looks like
huckg61 has joined #maemo-leste
huckg has quit [Quit: Client closed]
huckg61 has quit [Client Quit]
huckg has joined #maemo-leste
<huckg> Wizzup: I installed maemo-statusmenu-volume but moving the slider has no effect on the volume. alsamixer (no arguments) works, and I also made a tiny shell script that uses pactl set-sink-volume
<Wizzup> huckg: yeah you might be missing the line in system.pa
<Wizzup> brb dinner first
<huckg> bon appetit!
<freemangordon> there is no arguing on what volume buttons should do:
<freemangordon> if the device is rotated such that buttons are on the side, uper volume button shall increase and lower shall decrease (volume, size, page, etc)
<freemangordon> if the device is rotated so the buttons are on top, left button decreases, right increases
<freemangordon> 'rotated' means the orientation of top application or desktop
<Wizzup> sounds like we need to wake up, read from accelerometer upon button press and then decide what to do ;)
<Wizzup> huckg: so I think you need this: 00:31 < uvos> we should load-module module-switch-on-port-available for pulse
<freemangordon> Wizzup: we don;t really need accel, why is that?
<Wizzup> how will the device know it's orientation? pretty sure we suspend reading from accel on device lock
<freemangordon> tklock knows what orientation it was activated in
<Wizzup> why would volume press activate the lock screen
<freemangordon> it should not
<freemangordon> but, it shall increase the volume
<Wizzup> if I lock the phone and put it in my pocket, and then take it out, I just want to increase or decrease the volume, not remember how it was last locked before I put it in my pocket
<Wizzup> I don't care what tklock thinks its last orientation was, I want to know, purely based on phone orientation or just hardcoded, which increases and which decreases
<Wizzup> if that makes sense
<freemangordon> Wizzup: have you ever had issues with that on fremantle?
<Wizzup> yes, I think so
<freemangordon> I never had
<Wizzup> but also I don't find the phone orientation always as reliable as possible (hw wise, not sw wise), which is a problem also on modern phones, where people want their stuff to rotate and it doesn't, so it's hard to make volume buttons work well in that scenario
<freemangordon> but then again, this should not be device specific
<Wizzup> again, I don't have a strong opinion either way
<Wizzup> I just know that the fremantle behaviour wasn't always great for me (iirc if you lock with osso-xterm selected, it also doesn't do volume)
<Wizzup> which I consider to be a bug
<freemangordon> I would not, as top application gets the control. to me this makes sense
<freemangordon> but yeah, this is arguable
<Wizzup> I mean if the device is locked
<freemangordon> sure
<Wizzup> I don't think it matters what activated app is when the device is locked
<Wizzup> but yeah
<freemangordon> it grabs, why should tklock or anyone override the grab?
<Wizzup> iirc there is special hack for that grab in fremantle
<Wizzup> probably why they couldn't make it work otherwise, but I don't remember
<Wizzup> they're edge cases to me anyway
<freemangordon> yeah, those are edge cases we can think of best solution to
<freemangordon> but in general I insist on having the behaviour I described ^^^ (when not locked)
<freemangordon> we shall discuss what is the best when locked
<freemangordon> like, make a list of use-cases and decide
<Wizzup> sure, when not locked I agree it makes sense
<freemangordon> I can think of 2 only (phone and media player)
<Wizzup> to be entirely honest I'm not super psyched to make a use case list here and now, but I think we could make an issue on GH and put some proper arguments and use cases there
<Wizzup> (mostly comes back to the fact that I don't care so much :p)
<freemangordon> and I can assure you, it is very hard to forget which orientation you locked the device for those 2. It is a muscle memory basically, no need to think either
<freemangordon> maybe having orientation independent control when locked makes sense
<freemangordon> but I still think we shall take various use-cases before making a decision
<freemangordon> like - what if we are locked with keyboard open?
<freemangordon> that means we are in landscape, no?
<Wizzup> yes
<freemangordon> and I can assure you with media player running and playing a song, fremantle uses the orientation it was locked in to decide which button is what
<freemangordon> just tested
<freemangordon> and that makes all the sense to me
<Wizzup> to me it sounds like an oversight
<Wizzup> because what often happened for me is I would play music in landscape, get on my bicycle, put n900 in my pocket
<Wizzup> then during biking I would take out the phone with one hand and try to change volume, which is easier with portrait grab
<freemangordon> yeah, I understand your point
<humpelstilzchen[> When I'm on the bike I change the volume while the device is in my pocket
<humpelstilzchen[> this requires me to know which button is up and which is down
<freemangordon> could be, the current behaviour is the natural and intuitive, but again, we may change that
<freemangordon> to me is natural I mean
<Wizzup> or just let people configure it with gconf setting :)
<freemangordon> but, we may assume portrait orientation when locked and no keyboard is opened
<Wizzup> humpelstilzchen[: btw, does the modem work on the pp for you?
<freemangordon> Wizzup: I think we shall start writing configuration application
<humpelstilzchen[> Wizzup: no sim here
<freemangordon> "Maemo Tweaks" in cpl
<Wizzup> humpelstilzchen[: ok, but it is detected?
<Wizzup> freemangordon: right, there is a maemo tweaks app in cssu :P
<Wizzup> I loved using that on my n900 when cssu came out
<humpelstilzchen[> Wizzup: how do I check?
<Wizzup> change the transitions and stuff
<Wizzup> humpelstilzchen[: hmm download https://packages.debian.org/stretch/arm64/mdbus2/download and then run mdbus2 -s org.ofono
<freemangordon> Wizzup: I had bad experience with it, iirc
<freemangordon> I think we shall write something from scratch
<humpelstilzchen[> stretch? lol
* freemangordon is afk
<Wizzup> humpelstilzchen[: mdbus2 is not in the newer distros I think
<Wizzup> humpelstilzchen[: it's just a debug tool
<humpelstilzchen[> yes, I remember it from n900 days
<humpelstilzchen[> and removed: https://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mdbus.html
<humpelstilzchen[> mdbus2 -s org.ofono has only bluetooth stuff
<Wizzup> ok, so I don't think it sees the modem then
<Wizzup> so I have the same problem
<huckg> Wizzup: I added that line to /etc/pulse/system.pa and when I play an mp3 with the slider all the way down it starts playing at what sounds like full volume, then the device shuts itself down after a few seconds. Maybe that line needs to be at a certain place in the system.pa file? I just placed it at the end.
<Wizzup> huckg: ah, you might not have the latest fixes!
<Wizzup> what version do you have?
<Wizzup> ii maemo-statusmenu-volume:armhf 0.56+2m7.1 armhf Volume status menu plugin
<Wizzup> (dpkg -l maemo-statusmenu-volume)
<huckg> I do have that version.
<Wizzup> hmm
<Wizzup> ah, no, I definitely do not have that bug
<Wizzup> uvos: maybe some weird behaviour on bionic?
_inky has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
_inky has joined #maemo-leste
<huckg> I will comment out that line in system.pa for now....
<Wizzup> check
huckg has quit [Quit: Client closed]
_inky has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
_inky has joined #maemo-leste
System_Error has joined #maemo-leste