dnkl changed the topic of #foot to: Foot - fast, lightweight and minimalistic Wayland terminal emulator || 1.17.2 || https://codeberg.org/dnkl/foot || channel logs: https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/foot
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<rockorager> dnkl: do you have any opinions on a private mode which subscribes an application to receive automatic window size updates (CSI 8 and 4...char and pixel reports)?
<rockorager> I recently did some work on the win32 console api and having window size events in the same stream as input is just...so nice
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<dnkl> rockorager: in general, I don't like adding new ways to do things, just because it's "nice"
<dnkl> but in this case, the current system is racy
<dnkl> (lots of bug reports for "incorrect" window sizes in vim, neovim, shells etc etc at startup, due to multiple, quick resizes)
<rockorager> Yes, there are some necessary pains to handle size changes via SIGWINCH app developers must take
<dnkl> so, if the new escapes are designed such that the current window size is always reported directly after enabling a subscription, then that would improve the current situation enough that I think it would be worth to add
<rockorager> As in - when you enable the mode, you get an immediate size notification and also receive sequences when the size changes?
<dnkl> yes
<rockorager> An implicit CSI 14 + CSI 18 on enable, yeah
<dnkl> to make it impossible to miss any size changes
<rockorager> I like that
<rockorager> I will check with gpanders on if he would support in neovim too
<dnkl> rockorager: follow up question: an interactive resize could generate *a lot* of resize events. Should the spec. for the new escapes say anything about that?
<dnkl> for example, foot, *by default*, but not necessarily, throttles SIGWINCHes
<rockorager> I don't think the spec should dictate how often they are sent
<rockorager> Either side could choose to throttle or debounce
<dnkl> that makes things easier
<rockorager> debounce isn't the right word...
<dnkl> get what you mean :)
<dnkl> so in foot, I'd couple the new escape with my SIGWINCHes
<dnkl> they may be throttled, or not, depending on user conf
<rockorager> I think I would want to have two modes actually. One to receive pixel updates and one to receive cell updates
<rockorager> So applications could choose one or both
<rockorager> Yeah - I am guessing for most terminals this would be extremely easy to implement
<rockorager> And it's already queryable since it would be a private mode
<dnkl> agreed, the modes should be separate
<rockorager> We really need some sort of terminal-working group ;)
<dnkl> with as many people as possible involved, to get as much feedback as possible...
<dnkl> rockorager: is there any ticket or similar I can follow?
<rockorager> Not yet - I'll write something up later today
<rockorager> And ping you with a link
<dnkl> toast: did some work on the dotted underlines. Still visibly uneven with small font sizes, but better than before, imho
<toast> will rebuild this weekend and reach back out :)
<toast> ah heya rockorager
<rockorager> o/
<dnkl> rockorager: btw, for pixels, are you thinking of cell size, text area size or window size?
<rockorager> I think … text area, I assume that’s what is reported via SIGWINCH?
<rockorager> erg, ioctl
<rockorager> I guess conceivably any of those could be a mode
<dnkl> rockorager: we'll definitely need text-area, for sixels. That makes cell dimensions unnecessary, since it can be derived from the text area
<dnkl> on Wayland, window size is mostly useless I think. There isn't really anything you can do with it
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<trygveaa> rockorager: there is a terminal working group sort of: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/terminal-wg
<trygveaa> not sure how well it fares
<rockorager> trygveaa: I’m aware of it - I meant it as a joke because that group fell apart
<trygveaa> haha, alright
<trygveaa> ah, you had a winking face