<remiliascarlet>
As jaeger said, Steam games is probably the only thing anyone in Linux uses 32-bit stuff on an 64-bit machine for.
<remiliascarlet>
Because literally everything else is already available on 64-bit, unlike on Windows where more than a half of commonly used software is still 32-bit today.
<ukky>
remiliascarlet: It might make sense to build half of Windows in 32-bit. The same program compiled for Arm32 generates 77 KiB binary, but for Aarch64 the binary is 113 KiB.
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<Stalevar>
remiliascarlet, but what if steam builds up and makes the steam pot explode?
<Stalevar>
So I have installed CRUX, is there a repo with some DE? Maybe Xfce or Gnome 3 if it can work without systemd, given I don't want to build it from ports?
<darfo>
doesn't seem like anyone tackled the gnome behemoth. jaeger maintains the mate repo.
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<Stalevar>
darfo, I run CRUX on a separate PC so is there a binary repo I can download and mass install?
<Stalevar>
the pc without internet access
<ukky>
Stalevar: Only whatever package is on install ISO, plus a few ports like firefox-bin, libreoffice-bin, etc
<Stalevar>
So I need to download prt database with rsync and then grep every conf file to get source URL and feed it to wget?
<Stalevar>
ukky, I guess CRUX isn't the best distro to install onto an offline PC
<Stalevar>
Slackware is probably much better in this regards
<ukky>
It depends on your agenda. You can pre-download source code for all packages in a single shot, then dosconnect your PC from internet, and then build whatever you need offline
<Stalevar>
ukky, I have internet in one room (here) and the target PC in other room where there is no internet
<Stalevar>
I don't want to move the PC around into a diferent room
<Stalevar>
So I use USB flash to move files around
<Stalevar>
Currently the Other PC is used to try installing various operating systems to see how they perform
<Stalevar>
First one was Mageia, then Alpine, now CRUX
<jaeger>
If you wanted you could download all sources recursively with pkgmk -do -r
<jaeger>
in the ports tree
<ukky>
If PKGMK_SOURCE_DIR is specified in pkgmk.conf, then all sources will be downloaded in a single directory
<remiliascarlet>
Stalevar: "but what if steam builds up and makes the steam pot explode?" Then that pot will be in pieces.
<remiliascarlet>
As for installing ports offline, all you need internet for is to sync the Pkgfile files and the Tarballs and maybe patches needed to compile. Once those are all downloaded, the entire compilation/installation process can be offline.
<Stalevar>
jaeger, the problem is it requires installed CRUX but this current PC runs Slackware
<Stalevar>
Anyway, I guess I will just install a different distro, but I might keep the SSD with installed CRUX just in case
<Stalevar>
Or, another idea, I can move CRUX installation onto a smaller SSD (8gb) and use it as live boot drive
<Stalevar>
I have found out that you can buy used 8G SATA SSDs for about same price as an USB flash drive, but with SATA to USB adapter they are way way faster than regular USB flash drives
<remiliascarlet>
I was about to say.
<remiliascarlet>
SATA to USB adapters are a lot better in this case, just make sure you update your /etc/fstab file accordingly.
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<Stalevar>
remiliascarlet, why they can't make USB flash drives which are as fast as SSDs?
<Stalevar>
it seems that most common USB drives have speed of 4 MiB/s writing and 10 MiB/s writing, fastest go to something like 15/30
<Stalevar>
While SSD can have read and writing speed up to thousand megabytes per second, although for 8 GiB something like 100 MiB/s would be fine
<cruxbridge>
<jloc0> Stalevar: I run the crux-xfce4 repo and it’s up to date mostly with the latest xfce… none of the others have seen action in years
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<jaeger>
Stalevar: you could use pkgmk within slackware, or start a docker container or something
<jaeger>
The mate repo is maintained, though they don't update super often
<Stalevar>
I don't know how to use docker
<Stalevar>
I know chroot
<jaeger>
You could install packages into a chroot, too
<jaeger>
Lots of options
<jaeger>
Even without pkgutils installed, you can untar the packages into a folder and have a workable chroot... just no package database
<Stalevar>
How is docker different from chroot?
<Stalevar>
jaeger, there is rootfs.tar in CRUX install disk
<jaeger>
docker uses namespaces for process isolation... there's more to it than that but I probably can't do any more justice to an explanation than the internet could
<jaeger>
That's just for the ISO installation environment, it's not the packages for a working system
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<remiliascarlet>
Stalevar: "why they can't make USB flash drives which are as fast as SSDs?" Because the USB protocol is not the same as the SATA protocol?
<Stalevar>
remiliascarlet, but USB protocol supports up to 30MiB/s reading and writing even in USB 2 mode
<Stalevar>
yet most if not all USB 2 flash drives have writing speed below 20 MiB/s
<Stalevar>
some even something like 4MiB/s which is slower then internet access speed nowdays
<Stalevar>
So you can download USB flash image faster than write it to a stick
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<ppetrov^>
is KDE going to be added at portdb? I see it's ports in Development/ Timeline
<remiliascarlet>
KDE is gay, so I guess not.
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<ppetrov^>
remiliascarlet, is gnome gay, too? :)
<remiliascarlet>
No, Gnome is hard gay.
<r0ni>
i'd of done up gnome, but I learned that even xfce needed a ton of libs not available in the repos.... gnome would be much worse
<r0ni>
i've been playing with lxqt 2.0 which is really nice. dunno if anyone has done that one, but it'd be a keeper
<ppetrov^>
r0ni, tha't qt6 port?
<r0ni>
yeah
<r0ni>
I did up a pkgset for slackware aarch64 but it eats into the official kde5 pkgs and i'm too lazy to rename them
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<ukky>
I think installing Linux headers as part of glibc is wrong. There should be two separate ports. Switching from glibc to musl would require a standalone linux-headers port.
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<SiFuh>
ukky: Join #crux-social
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