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<jason123onirc>
i try to launch xfce4 and it just shows a black screen
<jason123onirc>
with the cursor
<jason123onirc>
but that is with i type startxfce4 into the cli
<jason123onirc>
but if i use startx the vm window resizes its self
<jason123onirc>
and then mate just runs out of space trying to compile rust
<jason123onirc>
now i managed to use startx to launch xfce4 and xfce4-terminal but i can't use any inputs but idk if its because of the vm but i did get kiss and gentoo to work in a vm
<jason123onirc>
wait it works in i3 though
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<ocb>
jason123onirc: check Xorg.log.0 , also you might need xorg-xf86-input-libinput
<jason123onirc>
i have that installed
<SiFuh>
jason123onirc: Add this line export XML_CATALOG_FILES="/etc/xml/catalog" to upower/Pkgfile in the build() section _before_ 'meson setup' and it should build against the new libxml2
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[opt.git/3.6]: python3-libxml2: explicit set sysconfdir to /etc
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[opt.git/3.6]: libxml2: explicit set sysconfdir to /etc
<SiFuh>
jason123onirc: ^^ they are already pushed it
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<jason123onirc>
SiFuh, cool though I al ready have it built
<jason123onirc>
but now I don't get why I have no keyboard or mouse input in xfce
<SiFuh>
xorg*input*
<SiFuh>
xorg-xf86-input-libinput
<jason123onirc>
yeah i have that installed but that does not matter because in cwm,i3 and openbox input works
<jason123onirc>
and xfce should have a panel and such but its just a black screen with the cursor and the terminal window
<SiFuh>
Which version of XFCE have you installed?
<jason123onirc>
4.16
<SiFuh>
Have you compiled everything you need for XFCE?
<jason123onirc>
I think so but I can try to compile again
<jason123onirc>
let me see
<SiFuh>
Did you try moving the old xfce* directories under home and run fresh?
<jason123onirc>
i never had any old version of xfce installed
<SiFuh>
You would have if you ran a broken system then fixed it and ran it again
<SiFuh>
Anyway, XFCE is not my department. I am a fluxbox only guy
<jason123onirc>
I need to try fluxbox on my void laptop
<SiFuh>
I have been using fluxbox for decades. So my configuration has slowly changed over time.
<jason123onirc>
nice
<jason123onirc>
xfwm4 works just fine but xfce4 does not
<jason123onirc>
i have used fluxbox before one or twice
<SiFuh>
Ahh okay. I was using E16 -> blackbox -> fluxbox
<SiFuh>
Tried others but not for very long. I like my shortcuts in fluxbox and my fake window tiling
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<jason123onirc>
wow you been using linux for such a long time
<SiFuh>
Late 90's early 2000's somewhere around then
<jason123onirc>
I only started using linux mostly in 2021 and before that my experience was that the things I did in linux I had limited clue what i was doing
<SiFuh>
Doesn't take long to learn, just hard keeping up ;-)
<jason123onirc>
yeah I just had no clue what I was doing then the first distro I used on my desktop when I really started was pop os but something caused grub to go away
<SiFuh>
I had Caldera and lost Lilo bootloader so I changed to Mandrake, then SuSE (Not opensuse), a few others in between then CRUX.
<jason123onirc>
people like opensuse but I did not
<SiFuh>
This is the one you sent and I put into a script. I just couldn't remember what I named the script as
<stenur>
yes please stop using this we-need-python-and-javascript thing that you all use since some time. it is just not working with firefox and umatrix
<jaeger>
people will use what they want to use
<jaeger>
SiFuh: wouldn't you want the xclip call to pipe into curl instead of the other way?
<stenur>
though alias paste-www-='curl -F "f:1=<-" ix.io' is for going upstream; interesting to save URL in clipboard directly
<stenur>
'think he wants to have the URL in the clipboard directly!
<stenur>
with putting additional tee(1) in that thing i will do that now, too
<SiFuh>
jaeger: blame misterbzr [misterbzr> made a script to paste: http://ix.io/2vIp
<jaeger>
oh, I see what you mean, yeah
<jaeger>
I wasn't thinking far enough, ix.io returns the URL to the paste so that gets it into the clipboard
<jason123onirc>
jaeger, yeah its fine
<stenur>
glibc 2.36`
<jason123onirc>
i don't get why xfce would not work
<SiFuh>
jason123onirc: did you see that URL I sent?
<stenur>
good idea with direct xclip copy
<farkuhar>
or you could be running a terminal emulator more featureful than the suckless terminal, so that a keyboard shortcut would highlight everything "url-like" and ask you which one to fill the clipboard with.
<farkuhar>
alacritty and foot both have that feature, if i recall correctly.
<stenur>
not for me. osc 8 is ok, but not in a terminal. ok for a pager
<stenur>
in fact i hate osc 8 in terminal
<stenur>
and also it does not help on non-X
<stenur>
thought xclip -selection "primary" also does not
<stenur>
granted
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I tried alacritty, and it annoyed me.
<stenur>
well in the end all is getting complicated. luckily i do not modify $TMPDIR anymore but take it as it cums
<dlcusa>
jason123onirc, I'm not seeing anything, but I'm not a guru. Perhaps running startxfce4 with stdout abd stderr captured to a file will show something.
<jason123onirc>
yeah it might just be a vm issue
<dlcusa>
Have you tried unplugging/replugging the mouse after starting xfce4?
<jason123onirc>
its something to do with the vm mouse not the real mouse
<jason123onirc>
because i can move it in the vm
<dlcusa>
Did you look at SiFuh's archlinux URL?
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: It isn't mine, it was just there ;-)
<dlcusa>
Yes, but you posted it here.
<SiFuh>
Primary did ;-) I just moved the mouse and pushed a button
<dlcusa>
I give credit where credit is due, sir. ;-)
<SiFuh>
I was wondering dlcusa does XFCE use any ACPI applets or something that might have caused a conflict?
<jason123onirc>
yeah i had a look at it
<dlcusa>
That's above my pay grade, and we may end up going to #xfce about this.
<SiFuh>
Do you have a ~/.xsession-error file?
<SiFuh>
jason123onirc: How are you starting Xorg with a Display Manager or startx? Are using a .xsession or .xinitrc file? If so, what does that look like? Did you modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf (If exists) or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* (if exists)?
<SiFuh>
dlcusa: does XFCE4 have any debugging or logging features of its own?
<dlcusa>
I am not aware of any, and their doc is light on debugging info.
<jason123onirc>
i did not modify anything and i just put exec startxfce4 & xfce4-terminal in my startx
<jason123onirc>
i can't compile mate because rust runs out of memory/storage or whatever
<SiFuh>
jason123onirc: remove '& xfce4-terminal' and try it again.
<dlcusa>
Good idea.
<jason123onirc>
same thing and its just a black screen so i can't spawn anything
<SiFuh>
You can spawn by '<XAPPLICATION> -display :0' usually
<SiFuh>
From a console that is
<dlcusa>
Somebody at #xfce can probably answer this one off the top of their head.
<SiFuh>
You know what
<SiFuh>
It is completely blank and there is a terminal and no mouse
<SiFuh>
jason123onirc: does this xfce4-terminal have borders?
<jason123onirc>
no there is no terminal because when i spawn a terminal then it shows up
<jason123onirc>
yeah it has the xfce theme
<jason123onirc>
it says can't open display
<SiFuh>
jason123onirc: I mean remove the '& xfce4-terminal'. Do your startx. Then CNTRL+ALT F1 or F2 or what ever. Get a shell type in to that shell xfce4-terminal -display :0 and then ALT+CNTRL+F>whatever> back to your xdisplay
<dlcusa>
Maybe xauth or somesuch is indicated.
<jason123onirc>
yeah that did not work
<SiFuh>
Will have to find out if you are using 0:0 or 0:1 or whatever
<jason123onirc>
oh that might be it
<jason123onirc>
why does mate even require rust?
<jaeger>
librsvg requires it
<dlcusa>
Progress?
<SiFuh>
Would like to get my hands on the VM image of jason123onirc's
<dlcusa>
What did Kirk say to Scotty? "Young minds, new ideas"?
<SiFuh>
I thought he said "Beam me up Scotty"
<jason123onirc>
rust is stupid
<jason123onirc>
i can't compile it
<dlcusa>
"There's no intelligent life down here."
<jason123onirc>
SiFuh, its virtual box and its 16gb i don't think you want it
<SiFuh>
I deal with larger stuff ;-)
<SiFuh>
Okay I just ran startx and then 'ps aux |grep auth' and it says the server is :0
<dlcusa>
I did that for Debian Sid when they transitioned to systemd--it got the problem resolved.
<dlcusa>
But that's when I started looking for CRUX.
<jason123onirc>
how would i even prevent rust from running out of memory?
<SiFuh>
More RAM
<jason123onirc>
i all ready have 4gb
<dlcusa>
More swap space?
<dlcusa>
Rust gobbles gigabytes.
<jason123onirc>
i have no swap
<dlcusa>
Modern Linux really benefits from some swap, even if just 25% RAM.
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<SiFuh>
dlcusa: Yeah it does launch xfce4-session startxfce4 -> xinitrc -> xfce4-session
<SiFuh>
Located in the scripts under here xfce4-session-4.16.0/scripts/
<dlcusa>
Maybe startxfce4 needs an "export XFSM_VERBOSE=X" before the xfce4-session command.
<SiFuh>
if (g_getenv ("XFSM_VERBOSE") != NULL)
<jason123onirc>
xfce4-session stated in verbose mode
<jason123onirc>
i only have 5gb of storage left for swap
<jason123onirc>
so i don't think i can add swap
<SiFuh>
verbose = TRUE; verbose = FALSE;
<jason123onirc>
yeah it started in verbose mode
<jason123onirc>
xfce4-session did
<SiFuh>
jason123onirc: there will be a logfile ~/.xfce4-session.verbose-log
<jaeger>
I can build a rust pkg for you if you like
<jaeger>
Will just take some time
<jason123onirc>
is there rust-bin like there is for firefox?
<jaeger>
there was until recently
<jason123onirc>
why did it get removed?
<jaeger>
I don't know, sorry
<SiFuh>
jaeger: Yeah I tried to contact him even through his work. I didn't expect anything out of it.
<jason123onirc>
what about the mikejsavage rust-bin port?
<jaeger>
If you want to try it, you can find it before the drop from gitweb: https://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=ports/opt.git;a=blob;f=rust-bin/Pkgfile;h=c59d0f64ba9ab14e9c3373b0b53a2968d1208b92;hb=a9df0cd71d5fafd76c1a3e3f960c2fec4fe22f0e
<dlcusa>
jason123onirc, I'd try a 1 GiB swap partition and see if rust likes it any better.
<jason123onirc>
yeah i can try that
<jason123onirc>
i think i have to make a swap file
<dlcusa>
Better than no swap.
<jason123onirc>
how do i install mkswap?
<dlcusa>
There's no /sbin/mkswap?
<jaeger>
It's part of util-linux in core
<jason123onirc>
oh yeah that worked
<jaeger>
SiFuh: tried to contact who?
<SiFuh>
Romster
<jaeger>
Ah. He didn't drop it, he's just gone/busy
<SiFuh>
I am more concerned about him not the port
<jaeger>
Yeah, hope he's doing alright, just commenting
<SiFuh>
His office never responded so I left it at that
<jason123onirc>
lets see if it compiles rust
<dlcusa>
Use "top" to track the behavior in realtime.
<jason123onirc>
weird that its only using like 400mb of ram but its using like 100k of swap
<dlcusa>
I assure you your kernel is making good use of both.
<dlcusa>
jason123onirc, I did "cp -p cp -p /usr/etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc ~/.config/xfce4/", then edited ~/.config/xfce4/xinitrc to insert "export XFSM_VERBOSE=X" before startxfce4 is invoked, and running startxfce4 starts spewing lines into ~/.xfce4-session.verbose_log, so it should work for you, too.
<SiFuh>
Why =X?
<dlcusa>
Arbitrary--just needs to be non-null.
<SiFuh>
I only saw TRUE and FALSE but I didn't notice it was searching for anything to be true
<SiFuh>
Yeah
<jason123onirc>
yeah i got that verbose file
<jason123onirc>
libblockdev gives some error
<dlcusa>
Did it provide enlightenment?
<jason123onirc>
this is when trying to compile mate
<dlcusa>
Did the original blank screen problem manifest?
<jason123onirc>
dlcusa, you run xfce just fine?
<dlcusa>
Yes--at least, it's been a long time since I had any issues, including getting xauth right.
<dlcusa>
Of course, that's an xord issue.
<dlcusa>
s/xord/xorg/
<jason123onirc>
have you got mate to compile?
<dlcusa>
I haven't tried mate in many tears, so I can't really say.
<dlcusa>
s/tears/years/ but maybe that was Freudian.
<jason123onirc>
it might be jaeger that uses mate
<dlcusa>
He is the CRUX mate maintainer.
<jason123onirc>
one of the repos yes
<jason123onirc>
there are two repos and i am trying his because the other one i don't know how to use it
<SiFuh>
wawrzek's Enlightenment hasn't crashed. Hmmm I have been running it 24 hours.
<SiFuh>
Apart from the signature mismatches the port seems more stable than most other distros versions of it
<jason123onirc>
enlightment last time i tired it on arch was crashing