<SiFuh>
It is a window manager and not a desktop environment.
<SiFuh>
So you can use SLIM, xdm, or what ever to launch it. I use xdm with a +x ~/.xsession file. The last entry is startfluxbox
<SiFuh>
Others use startx but I like having a login screen like xdm
<SiFuh>
prt-get depinst fluxbox and you are done. ;-)
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<joe9>
I use xenodm on openbsd. Is there something similar on crux?
<leah2>
xdm i guess?
<joe9>
I think it is better to stick with xdm initially until I find it unusable.
<joe9>
thanks for the suggestions.
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<joe9>
and fvwm or such for the window manager.
<joe9>
there is a cwm port. cool.
<jaeger>
recommended desktop is whichever one you like best :)
<dlcusa>
joe9, it seems the xfce repo is available again. Instructions are the index.html of the directory. I recently posted http://dlcusa.net/CRUX/XFCE_Wayland.mbox, a tl;dr that indicates xfce development may ebbing. Oh, use -is with prt-gets because I'm still trying to make time to fix the signatures.
<SiFuh>
xenodm is xdm but OpenBSD's version of Xorg
<SiFuh>
OpenBSD cwm and CRUX cwm are different
<SiFuh>
jaeger: 100% agree
<SiFuh>
So if you have used xenodm then you will already be aware of the .xsession file and its entries.
<leah2>
if the cwm port is mine then it's pretty equivalent
<leah2>
if it's the ancient one you should update it ;)
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<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: I like artwiz aleczapka but they are very limited.
<ppetrov^>
never heard of then
<ppetrov^>
i actually always found these fonts-obsessed people to be a bit snobby
<SiFuh>
The URL to the fonts you pasted look very similar
<ppetrov^>
whenever i read someone praising their ' all time favourite Helvetica', i think 'yeah...'
<SiFuh>
Due to characters like Chinese/Japanese/Korean and Thai/Lao, Myanmar I have a massive collection of fonts.
<ppetrov^>
like, the other day, i read a post on twitter about how to prepare scientific figures. That's something, i dare say, am experienced with. Well, the guy recommended helvetica for the figure. Actually, you should use whatever font the journal asks you to use...
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, but you dont go around telling people, font X is the best and only, right?
<SiFuh>
Nope, I actually hate fonts
<SiFuh>
I wish there was one universal font
<ppetrov^>
heh
<ppetrov^>
Helvetica
<SiFuh>
Nah, there is one but it is also limited
<ppetrov^>
which one?
<stenur>
I really wished i could speak more languages
<ppetrov^>
how many do you speak stenur
<stenur>
americandeutsch. Makes 1 :)
<SiFuh>
Not sure the name, I will have to look around
<ppetrov^>
so English and german?
<stenur>
To my shame. No Italian, no Russian, no Chinese (Mandarin), no Japanese.
<SiFuh>
Japanese is a SOV language so you will learn to speak like Yoda :-)
<ppetrov^>
stenur, try Finnish
<ppetrov^>
good luck with it
<stenur>
Just looked an hour ago because i had forgotten the name Slowenien, how nice Bulgaria lies there at the black sea. If only the winters were not.
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, does this support latin alphabet and cyrillic?
<SiFuh>
Horse wa fence ni jump mashita
<stenur>
Tango! Nuff said.
<SiFuh>
Yes but as I said it is limited
<ppetrov^>
thanks
<stenur>
Ah i wanted to marry Yoko Ono when i was younger. Surely i could speak Japanese then.
<SiFuh>
I love Japanese language
<SiFuh>
I am very lazy with it though. I usually don't reply in Japanese.
<stenur>
Yes standing in a wooden crafted house eating crafted food from crafted dishes and contemplating on some calligraphic painting
<SiFuh>
And hopiong Musashi Miyamoto doesn't want to challenge you
<SiFuh>
Hoping*
<SiFuh>
stenur: one of my favorite Japanese movies is Sex & Fury
<cruxbot>
[opt.git/3.6]: cmake: 3.22.3 -> 3.23.0
<SiFuh>
Samurai I/II/III: Musashi Miyamoto is on the top of my list though
<stenur>
SiFuh: chawan-mushi yes.
<SiFuh>
You talking about that custard dish?
<stenur>
As a teenager and a very young man i watched erotic stuff. I have to say one of the most erotic films i have ever seens was a Japanese one.
<stenur>
The hairy version SiFuh.
<SiFuh>
Had a Japanese GF try to make mayonaise and it failed so she turned it in to Chawan-Mushi
<ppetrov^>
interesting
<stenur>
I tell you what the film i mean is Irezumi.
<SiFuh>
Erotic Ghost Story from China!
<stenur>
The version from 1982.
<SiFuh>
Ahah! I have seen this
<joe9>
in lilo.conf, boot=/dev/sdb and root=/dev/sdb2, correct?
<joe9>
where /dev/sdb is the disk and sdb2 is the root partition.
<ppetrov^>
yes
<joe9>
thanks.
<joe9>
SiFuh: leah2: dlcusa: thanks.
<SiFuh>
stenur: When I was living in Kyrgyzstan, I avoided speaking English. I just spoke Japanese or Thai and since they couldn't understand if I spoke English, it didn't matter what I spoke.
<SiFuh>
I remember the two girls at the store I use to buy my beer from were actually learning Japanese to speak with me. Which I thought was kind of funny
<SiFuh>
joe9: As an avid OpenBSD user, in fact it is my main driver. CRUX is probably the closest Linux distro to OpenBSD out there
<SiFuh>
stenur: can only find the 1966 version of Irezumi
<stenur>
Oh i loved that "technique" of the old master.
<stenur>
SiFuh: i do not know that one.
<stenur>
The 1982 one even with original sounds and voices, not synchronized!
<SiFuh>
Yeah I can't find the 82 version. I will get the 66 version instead. I am certain I have seen one of them before.
<stenur>
Mind you: that was terrific!!! Because otherwise Japanese are synchronized very strange kung-fu alike: HA!-HO!-wakawakasawakawakasa
<SiFuh>
Hahah
<stenur>
Maybe a bit different was only Shogun with Chamberlain. A bit.
<SiFuh>
I hate when the Thais dub Western movies. When there is a silent scene such as someone carrying a plate to the table, the Thai dubbers have to make noise so they hum and it sounds so wrong.
<SiFuh>
Shogun with Chamberlain was good, so w Born Identity with him.
<SiFuh>
I actually have that under my Japenese Movie folder.
<stenur>
Anyhow no the 1982 version, because over the film you see a tightening atmosphere in between her and the student, and the flames blaze. And her skin gets soft and receptive.
<SiFuh>
Alien vs Ninja wasn't there which I was curious as to why not. It was a dumb ass funny movie.
<SiFuh>
I thought the finger print marks on the screen were the NO FEAR eyes. :-P
<stenur>
Just had a bummer a few days ago with syslinux, then remembered that its MBR can only boot <128MB or so, so added a /boot partition of 128MB, and viola
<joe9>
/dev/sdb is the linux disk. /dev/sdb2 is the /
<joe9>
and /dev/sdb1 is the swap
<joe9>
stenur: ext4
<SiFuh>
stenur: you play the viola? Hahaha
<joe9>
how do I get to the lilo prompt at boot to put the CRUX root=/dev/sdb2?
<stenur>
voila
<joe9>
Is there a way to get scrollback on the message?
<stenur>
not that i know
<joe9>
I tried Scroll + Pg up and it did not do anything.
<SiFuh>
Usually you press ctrl+PgUp but I doubt it works with a kernel panic
<stenur>
i am not even sure if new kernels _do_ support console scrollback
<stenur>
i _think_ it could be i read it was removed
<SiFuh>
Also UEFI or Legacy BIOS?
<stenur>
SATA_AHCI ATA_PIIX
<joe9>
legacy BIOS
<joe9>
yes, I checked, it has AHCI connfigured
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<SiFuh>
Can you boot from USB/CD and show us the disk setup?
<joe9>
from the recovery console, CRUX root=/dev/sdb2 seems to get somewhere.
<joe9>
I will wipe out the disk and try another install.
<SiFuh>
By the way, would you mind to stick swap at the end of the disk and not the start?
<SiFuh>
Also, are your drives encrypted?
<joe9>
oh, ok. Could the disk be going kaput?
<joe9>
no encryption
<stenur>
kaputt
* stenur
has to work
<SiFuh>
Thought dev mapper was only for encryption.
<SiFuh>
I was thinking it is probably corrupt but yeah it could be kaputt
<joe9>
ok, I am dd if=/dev/zero to the disk to be sure
<joe9>
if there are any errors, I suspect the dd might throw them(?)
<SiFuh>
dd_rescue or ddrescue does that doesn't it?
<SiFuh>
Yeah it will shit itself
<SiFuh>
If it is a seagate drive, you can use segate tools. They have a live linux distro
<SiFuh>
USBCD also has a few disk tools
<SiFuh>
UBCD*
<joe9>
if there are any errors from dd, I will trash the disk. I have a spare one in there too.
<joe9>
thanks.
<SiFuh>
How big is the drive?
<SiFuh>
I am old school, I still partition / /var /usr and so on..
<SiFuh>
I usually put swap directly after root
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<joe9>
298G. It is a temporary install for the kids mostly.
<SiFuh>
Kids and CRUX hmmm, you educating hackers?
<SiFuh>
BRB want to slaughter those penguins in Warmux
<joe9>
is there a way to see the fdisk prompt help?
<joe9>
the top scrolls off the screen.
<joe9>
I am trying to set teh boot flag on teh root partition
<SiFuh>
m
<jaeger>
scrollback definitely doesn't work after a panic but generally should otherwise with shift+pgup or shift+pgdown
<joe9>
got it. no, with m the top scrolls off
<joe9>
oh, ok. thanks.
<jaeger>
"a X" might be what you want, to set partition X active
<SiFuh>
jaeger: shift is it? I though cntrl.
<joe9>
thanks, it works
<jaeger>
I think shift... but maybe I'm misremembering :)
<SiFuh>
Or I am misremembering
<joe9>
shift works
<SiFuh>
Thanks I will remember that now
<jaeger>
ok
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<joe9>
Is there a reason crux builds the kernel instead of installing a generic one?
<joe9>
the build takes quite a while.
<ppetrov^>
you can do: make -j8 all, if you have 8 core-cpu
<jaeger>
Maybe a combo of "that's the way it's been for a long time" plus "source-based distribution" I guess... with that said, you could use a prebuilt kernel from somewhere else if you want, assuming it has the proper support
<joe9>
good idea. I should have done that. Thansk.
<jaeger>
np
<ppetrov^>
as I told someone else before, i 'steal' a .config file from Slackware
<ppetrov^>
i really lack the knowledge (and patience) to set it up myself
<joe9>
there is a default .config from crux
<stenur>
how about --format=pax then?
<stenur>
wrong channel
<ppetrov^>
joe9, if it works for you, go with it
<SiFuh>
I use to provide modular kernels
<SiFuh>
Strictly non-amd though.
<SiFuh>
But that kind of stopped when I went AMD :-P
<jaeger>
Try logging in as root on a new console rather than with su, should get prompted to change the password
<joe9>
ok, thanks.
<joe9>
that worked.
<jaeger>
For future reference, if you keep your existing /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow that won't happen
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<farkuhar>
joe9: it's been a while since I streamed netflix on linux, but I don't recall any browser having the proper support unless a third-party plugin was installed (chromium-widevine in the portdb sounds familiar). Is Netflix sufficiently cosmopolitan to work without such a plugin these days?
<joe9>
farkuhar: it used to work on ubuntu, the last time I tried an year ago.
<farkuhar>
a year ago is about how long it's been for me too ... like you, on a non-CRUX distribution. I doubt that the official CRUX browsers are bundled with all the same plugins that are available on Ubuntu or Arch, though.
<farkuhar>
the chromium-widevine port in the teatime repository, for example, just downloads a google-chrome debian package and extracts the shared library libwidevinecdm.so
<joe9>
ok thanks. will try it
<jaeger>
I can play youtube and netflix video with firefox-bin, ffmpeg/x264, and pulseaudio
<jaeger>
specifically ffmpeg 4.x, 5.x breaks it
<farkuhar>
jaeger: thanks for the update. Amazing how much can change in a year ... either DRM decryption has become an integral part of all the common browsers, or Netflix has loosened the copy protection on its content.
<farkuhar>
joe9: you asked about a config for xdm. Here are a few of the files I used to have in /etc/X11/xdm (before switching to Wayland as a daily driver): http://ix.io/3TY7 and http://ix.io/3TY8
<joe9>
thanks.
<farkuhar>
joe9: in your last error message, were you running prt-get update as root, or as an unprivileged user?
<joe9>
I ran prt-get update as root for some time before adding fakeroot and makecommand to prt-get.conf.
<joe9>
15:50 <@jaeger> I can play youtube and netflix video with firefox-bin, ffmpeg/x264, and pulseaudio -- have you tried with firefox too?
<joe9>
does it work only with the -bin?
<jaeger>
only firefox-bin, but I imagine you could do it with firefox as well, probably.
<jaeger>
I just don't care for compiling firefox
<joe9>
$ pkginfo -i | grep ffmpeg
<joe9>
ffmpeg4 4.4.1-2
<joe9>
how do I get ffmpeg/x264 ?
<farkuhar>
ffmpeg 4 is the version that worked for jaeger, version 5.x breaks it.
<farkuhar>
x264 is a separate port that you install before ffmpeg4.
<joe9>
oh, got it. misunderstood it.
<jaeger>
from the git history my guess is that ffmpeg4 is supposed to coexist with ffmpeg 5.x and things just work (tm) but it doesn't for me, so I removed both and then reinstalled the older ffmpeg version
<jaeger>
https://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=ports/opt.git;a=tree;f=ffmpeg;h=f4f5668fc52b5ebaaeda08c3250a77cdb85c508e;hb=0762cd14ccb0cb403ecf96ff848019113c28beaf <-- specifically from this commit